D&D 5E Classes that Suck

[jasper]

Hippa, how to care for your M-16, Is your grenade a friend after you pull the pin. Economics 101, ..oh you talking about PC classes. None of those suck. Some don't bring joy to people.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

No, and that is why 90% of the Sorcerers I saw in my 5 years of running D&D every week were Draconic Sorcerers. They're why Sorcerers don't suck. +3 AC is huge with bounded accuracy.

One subclass cannot prove that the class doesn't suck. If the base class doesn't have that, it shouldn't really be in consideration for if the class sucks or not.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I actually make the argument/House Rule that at certain level thresholds, the Pact Weapon automatically upgrades to +1/+2/+3 to avoid said issue.

Well, it's not just Improved Pact Weapon that's the problem, it's Thirsting Blade and all the Blade invocations that you have to take in order to make you be on par with other melee characters.

 

[Asisreo]

One subclass cannot prove that the class doesn't suck. If the base class doesn't have that, it shouldn't really be in consideration for if the class sucks or not.

If we're going by the PHB, that's 50% of the sorcerer's subclass. They aren't like wizards or clerics who have 5+ subclasses.

I've heard high praises for the shadow, divine and storm sorcerer as well.

It seems sorcerers are the type of class where big things happen in their subclasses. If you consider wild magic to "suck," that's only 1/5 subclasses.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I am confused by this statement. The point of the class variant features is twofold:

1. Provide more options
2. Improve class/subclass that are perceived to be subpar

Basically, the variant class features are the fix. The class will not be "fixed" before these options are available.

Yeah, I know that. The thing is, they only fixed the Ranger. They didn't fix the Sorcerer, Warlock, or Monk.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

But if you didn’t you would be head and shoulders better than them.

Not really. If having access to all the same invocations as the other warlocks and not having to give up almost all your infusions to keep up in damage with the weapon-focused characters makes you OP, then EB-spammers should be considered OP.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I just cannot take any analysis seriously that considers Warlocks weak. Maybe not the most interesting class to play, but definitely not weak.

I don't think they're weak. In my whole OP, I never said the word "weak" when describing anything. A class can suck or feel like it sucks without being weak.

They're powerful, but they're limited to EB spamming most of the time. They can do a ton of damage, but aren't good at variability.

 

[dave2008]

Yeah, I know that. The thing is, they only fixed the Ranger. They didn't fix the Sorcerer, Warlock, or Monk.

Well from all of the responses I have seen in this thread and others, the only consensus is the Ranger. Many people feel the Monk, Sorcerer, and Warlock are fine and enjoy playing them. So I think the evidence supports just "fixing" the Ranger at this time.

 

[Bacon Bits]

Well from all of the responses I have seen in this thread and others, the only consensus is the Ranger. Many people feel the Monk, Sorcerer, and Warlock are fine and enjoy playing them. So I think the evidence supports just "fixing" the Ranger at this time.

I'm not saying you're incorrect, but this isn't a great argument. Martial classes were extremely popular all throughout 3e's run and they were completely outclassed by clerics, druids, sorcerers, and wizards. Just because it's popular in actual play doesn't mean that it's mechanically balanced or well designed.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Well from all of the responses I have seen in this thread and others, the only consensus is the Ranger. Many people feel the Monk, Sorcerer, and Warlock are fine and enjoy playing them. So I think the evidence supports just "fixing" the Ranger at this time.

There are people in the thread who think Rangers are fine, from what I've seen. Rangers are the most "sucky" of all the 5e classes, but the other classes have their problems as well. (Also, this thread is anecdotal, and doesn't lead to any conclusive data from all the D&D 5e community)