D&D 5E Bards have an identity problem!

[Mort]

justify giving the bard as much magic as the wizard and cleric. Pretty hard to see.

Nope, you're arguing for the change so your burden to convince anyone it's a good idea.

 

[FrogReaver]

Nope, you're arguing for the change so your burden to convince anyone it's a good idea.

There is no burden of anything. But clearly you don’t want to justify. Wonder if it’s cause you can’t?

 

[Iry]

Bards are probably the best class in the game. They can be almost anything, and accommodate almost any concept. If that gives them an identity problem, it's a damn good problem to have.

 

[FrogReaver]

Justify giving the cleric and druid as much magic as the wizard. There aren't much in the way of fantasy portrayals of them as full casters outside RPGs.

druid is just a nature wizard. He’s easy to justify.

cleric is powered by the gods. There’s no reason he can’t match the wizard in magic.

there both are justified.

 

[Mort]

There is no burden of anything. But clearly you don’t want to justify. Wonder if it’s cause you can’t?

Bit aggressive no?

I've found the bard both playes well and differently enough from other casters; with nice thematic flavor. As such, I don't believe changing anything is either necessary or desired. Why change something that's working?

 

[FrogReaver]

Bards are probably the best class in the game. They can be almost anything, and accommodate almost any concept. If that gives them an identity problem, it's a damn good problem to have.

So let’s set this straight. The complaint isn’t that bards are mechanically bad. As you note they are mechanically great - arguably the best class in 5e in terms of mechanics.

 

[FrogReaver]

Bit aggressive no?

I've found the bard both playes well and differently enough from other casters; with nice thematic flavor. As such, I don't believe changing anything is either necessary or desired. Why change something that's working?

If you are going to accuse me of being aggressive then I’m not interested in going further with you on this.

 

[Iry]

So let’s set this straight. The complaint isn’t that bards are mechanically bad. As you note they are mechanically great - arguably the best class in 5e in terms of mechanics.

Yes, Bards are amazing. I do agree they have a problem with identity, but that's a problem born from an abundance of options.

 

[Mort]

There is no burden of anything. But clearly you don’t want to justify. Wonder if it’s cause you can’t?

If you don't want to be accused of being aggressive don't say stuff like this. And certainly don't get offended when you get called out, even as mildly as I did.

Also, notice, I answered your question. You didn't answer mine.

 

[Haldrik]

In 5e the Bard is as good of a caster as a Wizard or Cleric. But Bards that cast spells like Wizards cast don't feel very Bard-like. They feel more like a Charisma Wizard. That makes for a mechanically strong class but a thematically weak one. Do 5e Bards have the identity they should have?

Merlin is a Bard.