D&D 5E What's wrong with this psion?

[Krachek]

At least in novembre the hammer will fall for the case of the Psion.
what will be the final sentence? Thrilling music....
is there gonna be an appeal to Gygax himself? deep music....
i think that the Psion will make an extraordinary escape, and go under cover into the adventurer league, preparing It’s glorious return.... flashy music....

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

"I've seen enough mind flayers to know where this is going."

Yeah, well, there's only so much you can take from Sir Chumpsalot.

Yes. I know you have a Rod of Lordly Might. I get it. It's not any funnier two years later.

 

[WayOfTheFourElements]

To me, psionics is the expression of the freedom of mind powers in comparison to the rigid spellcasting of the arcane and divine worlds.

Where does metamagic + spell points (power point) DMG variant fail in capturing that flexibility?

 

[Minigiant]

Where does metamagic + spell points (power point) DMG variant fail in capturing that flexibility?

You are still stuck with the rigid text of spell + too few Metamagics options.

I would maybe accept Psionics sorcerer if there were maybe 15+ Metamagic options and the Psionic Sorcerer could know more than a Dragon or Wild soul.

Psionics to me feels like "The only limitation is your own mind!"

 

[WayOfTheFourElements]

You are still stuck with the rigid text of spell + too few Metamagics options.

I would maybe accept Psionics sorcerer if there were maybe 15+ Metamagic options and the Psionic Sorcerer could know more than a Dragon or Wild soul.

Thanks for stating a specific desire. Now it's much easier to imagine what you (and perhaps others want).

 

[Eric V]

Where does metamagic + spell points (power point) DMG variant fail in capturing that flexibility?

I think it is a matter of the psion not being able to do anything -distinct-.

This is an issue all across 5e, of course, with some spells appearing on as many as 8 classes' spell lists, but I suppose the hope was that psions might escape that paradigm.

As it stands, any sorcerer can accomplish what a psion can...because there is no psion, per se; only a flavored sorcerer.

Look, if no one else in the party chooses any of the same powers, etc. it can feel distinct...but if an enchanter chooses some of the spells that do the exact same thing, it starts to feel like more of a pretense. Shrug.

If one is coming at this from, say, 3e, then a LOT is missing (like, there was a psion build that could shape ectoplasmic servants and stuff like that.).

 

[TwoSix]

Psionics to me feels like "The only limitation is your own mind!"

I understand that's your particular like, but no previous iteration of D&D psionics has accomplished that either.

 

[Minigiant]

I understand that's your particular like, but no previous iteration of D&D psionics has accomplished that either.

I wouldn't expect TOTAL FREEDOM VIA THE POWER OF THE MIIIIND!

But Psionics has always being like 2 steps more flexible than arcane magic in all editions.

 

[TwoSix]

I wouldn't expect TOTAL FREEDOM VIA THE POWER OF THE MIIIIND!

But Psionics has always being like 2 steps more flexible than arcane magic in all editions.

I don't think I'd agree with that. Individual powers had some more flexibility than an individual spell, but the psionic classes general had less overall powers known than a caster had spells known. Details depend on the edition, but that was the general trend.

 

[Minigiant]

I don't think I'd agree with that. Individual powers had some more flexibility than an individual spell, but the psionic classes general had less overall powers known than a caster had spells known. Details depend on the edition, but that was the general trend.

I meant the psionic characters where more flexible in the few effects they could manafest.

Psionics had a narrower range but had more control within that range. More like a superhero who could do a lot with their 1-3 powers.