D&D 5E New class options in Tasha

[Azzy]

They don't have the majority of the highly situational exploration and plan-enacting spells we're talking about on their spell list.

Neither do sorcerers.

People ARE seeing it.

Take that up with the poster I was responding to—they're the one that used the phsase "people aren't seeing it", hence my response.

There are more of us in this thread, and in other forums around the internet

That's a bold claim.

It's not hyperbole, no matter how many times you declare it is. It's not extreme.

When your argument is hinged upon a worst-case, theoretical situation that is entirely unrealistic, then yes, it is hyperbole. It's like saying that people are going to die from drinking water because drinking too much water can cause hyponatremia.

It is in fact one of the defining characteristics of the wizard class, and people who have played wizards a lot know that right away.

Sorcerers being able to swap one spell per long rest is not in danger of diluting the wizard.

You don't have to listen, but your disdain sure isn't persuading anyone. Particularly your "not how real people actually play D&D" nonsense, which just makes you sound like a snob who thinks his games are the way everyone must play.

Please think of the children before making these kind of claims. I'm a snob because I said that it's "not how real people actually play D&D" in regards to some theoretical player swapping out their entire spellls known after weeks of long rests for the lulz? How dastardly gatekeeping of me.

 

[Mistwell]

Neither do sorcerers.

Yes, they do. Second only to the Wizard, which has that limitation the sorcerers now do not have.

When your argument is hinged upon a worst-case, theoretical situation that is entirely unrealistic, then yes, it is hyperbole. It's like saying that people are going to die from drinking water because drinking too much water can cause hyponatremia.

This is you fiating arguments you don't want to address. You're making a blanket claim that it's unrealstic, with zero support for the claim. It looks like you're trying to substitute emotion for a thoughtful argument. Why is it unrealistic for a sorcerer player to do what wizard players have done since the 1970s in almost every edition of the game? Because...reasons? Where has anyone every made a claim which is comparable to "dying from drinking water"? Nowhere, but maybe if you make bolder and ruder allegations people won't notice it's not a comparable analogy to our arguments?

Sorcerers being able to swap one spell per long rest is not in danger of diluting the wizard.

It is. As a wizard fan, I am looking at a shadow or divine soul sorcerer build right now because of this change. I don't know why you think optimizers will suddenly not optimize with a new rule that is so ripe for abuse, but you look naive and foolish for dismissing it as some corner case when it isn't.

Please think of the children before making these kind of claims. I'm a snob because I said that it's "not how real people actually play D&D"

Yes. Would you prefer elitist? Narrow minded? Inexperienced? Lacking in imagination? Behaving like a jerk to your peers? You tell me, how would you have taken to that kind of comment directed at you when you were being sincere?

 

[Hohige]

And a Wizard can have Subtle Spell with the Metamagic feat that was in that recent UA...

UA is not official yet. Incredible as it may seem, the most benefited from this feat is the sorcerer himself. I hope it is not published, because that is Broken.
A sorcerer with Spell Versatility and metamagic adept feat is really versatile and broken.

 

[Mistwell]

UA is not official yet. Incredible as it may seem, the most benefited from this feat is the sorcerer himself. I hope it is not published, because that is Broken.
A sorcerer with Spell Versatility and metamagic adept feat is really versatile and broken.

I must be missing something. Isn't it just 2 extra sorc points?

 

[Azzy]

And yet here we are with the wizard. ZERO people have listed their actual spells known without obtaining magic items (scrolls and spell books from foes). All the conversation revolves around an assumption they have more than their actual spells known as listed in the Player's Handbook.

O RLY?

Though that failed to consider a wizard's Arcane Recovery and the sorcerer's Flexible Casting.

 

[Hohige]

I must be missing something. Isn't it just 2 extra sorc points?

And extra 2 metamagic choices...its insane.

 

[Weiley31]

Martial and Spell Versatility are completely optional. And there is still nothing wrong with Martial and Spell Versatility.

 

[Cap'n Kobold]

And extra 2 metamagic choices...its insane.

So, of the 25-odd spells that a sorceror will be casting each day, they get to quicken an extra one? Or twin it if its 2nd level?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

And extra 2 metamagic choices...its insane.

Is it though? They should have just given sorcerers that as a free boost instead of this versatility crap.

 

[Gladius Legis]

Martial and Spell Versatility are completely optional. And there is still nothing wrong with Martial and Spell Versatility.

Martial Versatility is perfectly fine.

And Spell Versatility would be OK if only the Ranger got it (though making the Ranger a prepared caster would've been better still).