D&D 5E Aberrant Mind's Psionic Sorcery is officially the most powerful feature.

Hohige · Nov 9, 2020

Psionic Sorcery:

"Beginning at 6th level, when you cast any of the spells gained from your Psionic Spells feature, you can cast it by expending a spell slot as normal or by spending a number of sorcery points equal to the spell’s level. If you cast the spell using sorcery points, it requires no components".

Revealed in Tasha, sorcerers (Aberrant Mind and Cloakwork Soul) now have more spells known than wizards prepared spell.
Just like Shadow Sorcerer's The hound of Ill Omem is a Heightein on steroids. Aberrant Mind's Psionic Sorcery is a Subtle Spell with steroids.

Psionic Sorcery + Suggestion is simply undetectable, cannot be counterspellated and it is still possible to add a metamagic effect to it, such as Heightein Spell.
Detect Through is also too useful.

Psionic Sorcery + Suggestion is literally "Fight by my side for 8 hours or 16h (Extended Spell) or 2 creatures (Twin spell)" or any command. In addition to being extremely powerful in magical combat where there is no counterspell and still applies disadvantage on saving throw

Sir Brennen · Nov 9, 2020

Where did you find this info? Do you have the book? I don't know how the Psionic Spells feature works. Is Suggestion one of the spells you can select?

Whatever the other features are for this subclass, this 6th level feature sounds like they're capturing the flavor of a psion pretty well.

Side Note: Shadow Sorcerers can also spend sorcery points to cast Darkness.

DnD Warlord · Nov 9, 2020

Do we know what bonus spells they know, and really the subtle spell is rather limited even at level 20 useing suggestion is what 6 times

Hohige · Nov 9, 2020

Sir Brennen said:
Where did you find this info? Do you have the book? I don't know how the Psionic Spells feature works. Is Suggestion one of the spells you can select?

Whatever the other features are for this subclass, this 6th level feature sounds like they're capturing the flavor of a psion pretty well.

Side Note: Shadow Sorcerers can also spend sorcery points to cast Darkness.

Yes, You can swap a spell from Psionic Spell list to a new of Sorcerer/Warlock/Wizard that must be Divination or Enchantment.
It's from Tasha's Aberrant Mind.

NotAYakk · Nov 9, 2020

Actions described in spell descriptions are in addition to components. A subtle suggestion spell still rewuires you make the suggestion, it just doesn't blatantly look like magic.

The suggestion must also seem reasonable. "Take 10 gp to be my loyal mercenary" would work on a mercenary, but not on a death knight.

jgsugden · Nov 9, 2020

OK - you're worried about a guardsman counterspelling your Suggestion spell? So the inability for it to be countered is game breaking?

Yeah. No. It is nice that it is harder to counterspell some of their spells, but it is not game breaking.

Hohige · Nov 9, 2020

jgsugden said:
OK - you're worried about a guardsman counterspelling your Suggestion spell? So the inability for it to be countered is game breaking?

Yeah. No. It is nice that it is harder to counterspell some of their spells, but it is not game breaking.

No. the true power here is casting Suggestion with Impunity.
Being totally undetectable.
Low level, cheap and can still apply metamagic (Heightein, Twin, Quicken, Extend).
With Psionic Sorcery. The Aberrant Mind's Dominate Person/Monster can control a creature for 16h, with Impunity.
During a battle a Psionic Sorcery Dominate Person with Heightein Spell can literally win the battle to easily and control that creature for 1 minute. (No counterspelll)

For the enemy party, the creature affected by the Psionic Dominate Person is a traitor and he will start attacking his allies and even he doesn't understand what happened. It is beautiful to control a Barbarian and attack his backline.
Without any evidence of mind control.

bedir than · Nov 9, 2020

Pulling off 16 hours of concentration would be impressive

NotAYakk · Nov 9, 2020

Hohige said:
No. the true power here is casting Suggestion with Impunity.
Being totally undetectable.
Low level, cheap and can still apply metamagic (Heightein, Twin, Quicken, Extend).
With Psionic Sorcery. The Aberrant Mind's Dominate Person/Monster can control a creature for 16h, with Impunity.
During a battle a Psionic Sorcery Dominate Person with Heightein Spell can literally win the battle to easily and control that creature for 1 minute. (No counterspelll)

For the enemy party, the creature affected by the Psionic Dominate Person is a traitor and he will start attacking his allies and even he doesn't understand what happened. It is beautiful to control a Barbarian and attack his backline.
Without any evidence of mind control.

How did you phrase "turn on your allies in the middle of combat" as a reasonable suggestion, out loud?

It isn't totally undetectable. You still have to say the suggestion out loud. Maybe you can get around this with telepathy, but that doesn't get around the "reasonableness" of it.

Dominate person/monaster, on the other hand, almost does what you describe. You still have to tell them what to do (telepathically), or use your action to treat them like a puppet, so they do know that there is something strange going on.

bedir than said:
Pulling off 16 hours of concentration would be impressive

Just avoid getting damaged and don't cast another spell requiring concentration.

You can concentrate on spells while doing most anything short of actually sleeping.