I'm doing fine in this discussion, my dude. I think it's probably time it got shut down, because it's quickly reaching the point where it's mostly mutual irritation and only a little bit new ideas or arguments, but I'm an optimist. Maybe it'll turn around.
So, in the text you quoted, I indicated that real life nomadic people keep things that aren't practical. You seem to have just assumed that I said this in direct response to you explicitly saying the opposite, even though the text gives no reason to think that. This is frustrating, because you've done a similar thing nearly every time you've replied to me in this thread.
You indicacted nomadic people keep things that aren't practical. I seem to have assumed that you said that in response to me saying the opposite, even though the text gives no reason to think "that"
To think what?
If you are referring to "think that nomadic people don't keep things that aren't practical"... yeah, I know. That's why I never said they don't keep things that aren't practical. They do however, keep less stuff than someone with more storage space in the form of a house. If you somehow twisted that into me saying nomadic people never keep anything that isn't practical... that's on you reading things into my words that I didn't say.
If you are referring to "the text gives you no reason to think I was responding to you saying the opposite"... then I have no idea what you are trying to say.
So, between utter confusion and you strawmanning my argument... I'm going to go with the latter.
No, that's your issue, that you've tried to make the argument about, even though it's a wild tangent. The issue is that you've taken "it's not hard to draw a paralel from the hypothetical, not at all meant to be taken literally as if all Halflings everywhere have cellars and store their treasures in them, idea of putting treasures in storage rather than showing them off, and apply that to nomadic life" as some sort of statement of...honestly I don't even know? What do you think my position even is, here? Did you think I was saying that riverboat halflings literally have cellars in their boat!?
Like...i don't understand how you can read my I wrote and take away the idea that the cellar is the damn point.
Please stop cussing, I'd rather you not get hit by a mod.
The cellars weren't the point. The cellars were me taking a cheap shot. I admitted as much in my response to Sabathius which I'm pretty sure you read and quoted. I was annoyed that you wrote pages and pages of "here is how they are the same" and saw you had cellars and took a pot shot.
You however have decided that because I did so I must be obsessed with cellars and nomads can never carry anything sentimental. And despite me saying that I did not say that thing you keep accusing me off... you just turn right back around and accuse me again.
By itself, outside the context of the entire post you've pulled it from? Literally nothing at all. I mean, the statement isn't even sensible in the form you've presented it. It can't be meaningfully interpreted when you don't include the rest of the text that makes clear what it's referring to.
So let's look at that quote again, shall we?
So, first we have an opening statement that makes it clear that the paragraph is addressing the "bizarre concept that a race...", then continues talking about that idea, and finally says "again, the affront is", and you think that...the rest of that last sentence in the paragraph is them stating their opinion that halflings are the only race that believes in those things? Seriously?
They then go on to say that "holding this position is unfathomable". What position do you think they're talking about? Because the position they're very very very clearly referring to is the position that they are decrying in the above paragraph, ie the idea that you are falsely ascribing to them as their position.
Hmm, context right?
"the bizzarre concept that a race that supposedly never goes to war, and is the only one, is worthless." Is that full sentence. Referring to the
false position that was ascribed to people that dislike halflings that the entire reason we don't like this is because they aren't war mongers He then follows it up with the full sentence "The idea is that this supposed people is so pathetic that they don't deserve to exist -- again, the affront is that they are the only race that believes in peace, tranquility, joy, happiness."
Again, referring to the
false position that we who dislike halflings find them so pathetic as to not exist, because they are the only race that believes, well, you know the rest.
Then they say that holding this postion (the position that halflings are unworthy and deserve to be erased because they aren't warmongers) is unfathomable, "because believing both of these thoughts means that you feel that stories of peace and happiness cannot and must not exist."
So, no. The positon they are decrying is the
FALSE position that they were accusing us of. Because if they were decrying the position that halflings were the only ones who can be peaceful or joyful, then following it up that believing in that position means stories of peace cannot and must not exist is nonsensical.
So, now that we've discussed the context twice, we are in a weird position. Either Bedir made up a position to then decry it in a nonsensical show that one race being the race of peace means that peaceful stories cannot exist. Or Bedir was making up a position that the dislike of halflings was because we think the idea of not going to war is unworthy, which destroys the idea of a peaceful story.
Refuse to answer a question I've never given a damn about? Probably, yeah.
Then instead of saying "stop being ridiculous" you should have said "I don't care enough to answer that question" It also would have saved you time answering a question that was never asked.
You've tried to twist my comment to someone else into an argument you think you can win, when I've never expressed the slightest interest in the point you're trying to make, one way or the other. The three halfling cultures presented in the PHB are very similar, yes. That was literally part of my point. That there is a clear through-line in the various halfling cultures, and that they are simply expressed differently depending on the material nature of how they live, ie whether they are agrarian, nomadic, or urban. This doesn't make them any less three distinct cultures, however, and this is more variety than we get for dwarves in the PHB.
No, there is nothing expressed differently in the PHB. We've covered that already. If your point was that all three cultures are presented nearly identically, with the only difference being whether they live on a farm, in a city, or on the road... then congrats. That is my point too. I just see "being practically identical with no named differences" as not defining three different cultures.
OH, and I forgot to reply to a thing but I'm not gonna add it to this already long post. You claimed to have never struck out the text about halfling culture. I'll assume then that you did it by mistake, which is fair enough, but you absolutely did.
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Also, in case I didn't already say this, I never said that everything I was quoting was directly relevant to nomadic halflings, I said I was removing anything I saw that was directly contradictory to nomadic halflings. So, getting pedantic about physical descriptions is pretty petty and weird.
I was asking about culture, you gave a physical description that was entirely unneccesary. You might as well said "I'm going to show the difference between elves and drow, starting with them both having pointy ears"
Also, reading through that again, I do see that I missed a single sentence tacked on to the end of the description. My apologies for crossing it out. I thought the clothing line was at the start of the next paragraph. I should not have said you were lying.
I still think posting nearly three pages of identical halfling lore to answer a question I never asked, and ignore the question I did ask was... pointless? Pointless. I never asked or cared about "how they are similar" I asked how they were different.
