D&D 5E I thought WotC was removing biological morals?

[Oofta]

I never claimed you said that alignment must be adhered to. Oofta made that claim.

Nor did I say that you were racist. I said that your argument (that racial ASIs and alignments shouldn't be seen as racist because anyone can change or subvert them) sounded bad, even though I didn't think that you meant it in that manner. You also announced that other people had said you were racist for those claims.

I never said anything about alignment when it comes to what @Scribe wrote. I personally have no problem with alignment because I think it's useful but it has nothing to do with you implying that someone is racist because they want different things from the game.

In any case, have a good one. Oh, and please stop making stuff up.

 

[Scribe]

You also announced that other people had said you were racist for those claims.

Yes, one, they appear to have been banned now that I go look, I wonder why.

Scribe specifically said that it was ridiculous to say that ASIs and racial alignments were racist because they were "foundational aspects" of D&D that people could change or subvert if they wanted to.

Did I?

"At an even higher level, I find it ridiculous to essentially declare foundational aspects (different species have innate advantages, disadvantages, and differing morality when compared to the baseline Human) of Fantasy, racist."

No, No I did not.

Now if you didnt INTEND to insinuate I'm racist, or my games are racist, well then I suppose we have a misunderstanding, but it certainly would APPEAR that way.

What it appears you said....

This makes it sound like you're saying you are knowingly running racist games but don't want to be called out for it or that you don't care enough about racism to make sure it's not included in your game, but because the books include alignments, you can just say, "hey, I didn't make them Evil; that's what the book says!"

is that either I run racist games, or dont care about racism, and that I use the books to give permission for evil alignments.

But I'm sure thats not what you intended to say at all.

 

[Faolyn]

Which to me is just "fluff makes it okay". I mean, it's fine. You do what makes sense to you and your game. Different people draw the line at different places. If any particular creature has been created by a malevolent being and not naturally evolved I see no reason they can't be just as inherently evil. For that matter, I don't think that a species that has evolved under different circumstances or different origin than humans would think like humans or share our sense of morality.

If orcs are malevolent beings created to be evil, they shouldn't be humanoids; they should be fiends. And they shouldn't be a PC race.

And if D&D humanoids evolved naturally, then they'd still have roughly the same biological needs, have evolved under the similar circumstances (with only differences based on climate and terrain--the actual planetary makeup is the same), and would have evolved in close proximity to other sentient beings like them. Their social mores would be different, and tempered by biology, but they wouldn't be aliens.

 

[Guest 7031328]

Yes, but the thread is about fey creatures.

If this is going to just be another orc/drow thread, I'm just gonna close it.

It always seems to go back to being about orcs and drow, people just can't help themselves

 

[Oofta]

If orcs are malevolent beings created to be evil, they shouldn't be humanoids; they should be fiends. And they shouldn't be a PC race.

And if D&D humanoids evolved naturally, then they'd still have roughly the same biological needs, have evolved under the similar circumstances (with only differences based on climate and terrain--the actual planetary makeup is the same), and would have evolved in close proximity to other sentient beings like them. Their social mores would be different, and tempered by biology, but they wouldn't be aliens.

Humanoid just means basic human form, no innate supernatural abilities. Some will have learned spells as part of their culture of course.

But again, it's just a fluffy meaningless label that's only used for general categorization. As far as same basic biological needs, I don't assume that humans have the corner on all possible evolutionary pressures and resultant traits. The idea that aliens would think like us just because they're "advanced" is, IMHO, a common misconception. In addition, I don't dismiss supernatural influence of the creator.

In any case, this is just going round and round. We disagree. Hardly the end of the world.

 

[Faolyn]

Yes, one, they appear to have been banned now that I go look, I wonder why.

Who knows. I have no idea who they were originally I don't know why you would suddenly decide to tell me that people who have dared to question your motives were banned from this site...

Did I?



No, No I did not.

Yes, yes you did. Here's what you wrote:

Because no, I do not believe having ASI or Alignment being generalized across most/many/'usually of x' a species racist, when the books outright tell you you can change it, and official settings are published to prove the opposite.

Did you forget this bit? You wrote it here.

Now if you didnt INTEND to insinuate I'm racist, or my games are racist, well then I suppose we have a misunderstanding, but it certainly would APPEAR that way.

What it appears you said....

is that either I run racist games, or dont care about racism, and that I use the books to give permission for evil alignments.

But I'm sure thats not what you intended to say at all.

What I said is that's what it looked like, even though I was sure that wasn't what you meant. Here! Have a screenshot (the original post is here):

You know, that shows what I said before you decided to snip certain parts away.

 

[Faolyn]

I never said anything about alignment when it comes to what @Scribe wrote. I personally have no problem with alignment because I think it's useful but it has nothing to do with you implying that someone is racist because they want different things from the game.

In any case, have a good one. Oh, and please stop making stuff up.

Then I was mistaken and it was someone else who said so. In that case, I apologize.

 

[Faolyn]

Humanoid just means basic human form, no innate supernatural abilities. Some will have learned spells as part of their culture of course.

But again, it's just a fluffy meaningless label that's only used for general categorization. As far as same basic biological needs, I don't assume that humans have the corner on all possible evolutionary pressures and resultant traits. The idea that aliens would think like us just because they're "advanced" is, IMHO, a common misconception. In addition, I don't dismiss supernatural influence of the creator.

D&D races aren't aliens; they didn't evolve under vastly different circumstances.

 

[Cadence]

D&D races aren't aliens; they didn't evolve under vastly different circumstances.

Was it @Umbran who noted there is no reason in a fantasy world they "evolved" at all?

 

[Scribe]

Who knows. I have no idea who they were originally I don't know why you would suddenly decide to tell me that people who have dared to question your motives were banned from this site...

Because applying labels such as 'racist' to people here is still frowned upon I would assume.

Did you forget this bit? You wrote it here.

That wasnt what you had quoted when you insinuated I am running racist games though is it? Nope. Do you need the screenshot?

Regardless, you said what you said, so have a good one.