D&D 5E New D&D WotC survey! On classes.

[Blue]

I took the time to do this survey, but I dislike it. It tries to evaluate everything independently, but it's often in particular contexts that things are good or bad. I tried to make these clear in my comments, but assuming my numbers won't just be aggregated into their distribution charts and my comments read separately is a fool's thought.

 

[Zaukrie]

I took the time to do this survey, but I dislike it. It tries to evaluate everything independently, but it's often in particular contexts that things are good or bad. I tried to make these clear in my comments, but assuming my numbers won't just be aggregated into their distribution charts and my comments read separately is a fool's thought.

Good point. It is the whole, not each piece, that makes up a class / subclass.......

 

[Maxperson]

7. Paladin: provide a non-spellcasting (or lesser spellcasting version) variant similar to Holy Warrior variant from the 3e Complete Champion

Huh. I'd like for them to give us an actual spellcasting paladin. To date I don't think I've seen a paladin cast a spell. All the slots go to smiting.

 

[Maxperson]

It's not so much that they suck, but that they are annoying and conceptually silly, to certain folks. I mean, really, a troubador casting wish? Come on!

Edit: Added the clearly-necessary smiley.

This, despite the smiley.

The bard concept has bugged me since 1e and has only gotten worse over time. I mean, singing insults to cause damage and/or make creatures attack poorly? 5e has my least favorite version of a class I've never liked.

I will absolutely admit that they're an effective class, though. I've had two in my campaigns so far.

 

[Stormonu]

I do like they get into the weeds ability by ability - it gives them the chance to address abilities that just aren’t working for the class (cough*Know Enemy*cough) and replace or rethink those that score consistantly poorly. The “overall” lets them evaluate if the class/subclass is working/liked or if it needs major retooling overall, and if it needs retooling, what the detail lets them hone in on what might be the problematic mechanic.

 

[Stormonu]

Huh. I'd like for them to give us an actual spellcasting paladin. To date I don't think I've seen a paladin cast a spell. All the slots go to smiting.

I casted Find Steed once to get my Allosaurus - does that count?

On the survey, I did mention they should seperate smite into its own pool, like Lay on Hands. Also, the fact there are smite spells doesn’t make things more confusing at all - smite spells should probably be handled like Warlock invocations that modify Eldritch Blast, but affect smiting attacks instead.

 

[Bolares]

This, despite the smiley.

The bard concept has bugged me since 1e and has only gotten worse over time. I mean, singing insults to cause damage and/or make creatures attack poorly? 5e has my least favorite version of a class I've never liked.

I will absolutely admit that they're an effective class, though. I've had two in my campaigns so far.

Well everyone has different tastes, and yours is as valid as mine, I just don't understand why so many people put that much weight on Vicious Mockery. I think that it's just a mediocre cantrip, and it is so minimal in the bards arsenal....

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

All this talk of bad bard examples, and nobody mentions Väinämöinen?

So you're saying this guy is a Bard?

Then again, the guy failed in his major adventure,

That sounds like a Bard.

and then some virgin-born baby called him out for his hubris and failures and he sailed off in a huff.

Yep. That's definitely some ur-Bard, there!

 

[Bolares]

So you're saying this guy is a Bard?




That sounds like a Bard.



Yep. That's definitely some ur-Bard, there!

You are so funny snarf! Just like a bard!

 

[Maxperson]

Well everyone has different tastes, and yours is as valid as mine, I just don't understand why so many people put that much weight on Vicious Mockery. I think that it's just a mediocre cantrip, and it is so minimal in the bards arsenal....

Because people use it. Why? Because fun. People seem to love the idea of insulting something to death.