D&D 5E Truly Understanding the Martials & Casters discussion (+)

[FrogReaver]

I do hope at least one magic weapon is going to be factored into this model, once you get to a reasonable level.

Default by us is +1 weapon for 11 level fighter. I’ll run some different variations there as well.

 

[Asisreo]

Default by us is +1 weapon for 11 level fighter. I’ll run some different variations there as well.

It should be noted that the most likely weapon for a level 11 fighter, assuming random tables, is +2 at a minimum.

I won't go super into the percents but the table has an 8% chance to be on a table with a +1 weapon and that has a 15% chance of appearing on Table F. That's a 1.2% chance of a +1 weapon.

All weapons with a +2 or above, not including special weapons like Vorpal Blades, has a cumulative 25% chance of appearing with each table having a 10% and 9% chance for +2 and +3 respectively. The last table has +3 weapons but they're connected to special weapons like the Hammer of Thunderbolts.

I could calculate the math if that's not sufficient, but I think the fact that the tables with the +2 and +3 weapons are rolled 1d4 times per instance should also help my case.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Quick suggestion for the sake of simplicity (forgive me if this as already been offered):

Assume +1 items at tier 2, +2 items at tier 3, and +3 items at tier 4?

Or perhaps at levels 6, 12, and 18 if starting right at the tier seems off.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So, that's your belief.

What follows is a rhetorical exercise - I do not expect you to post your answers.

Ask yourself what independent evidence you have for your interpretation. Did WotC actually say anything to the effect of, "Since so many people are yelling about it, we give in"? Or is it mostly you deciding that the timing is too coincidental to be anything else?

Do not trust conclusions not solidly based on evidence outside your head. Our own surmises are extremely vulnerable to confirmatioin bias - interpretation based on what we expect or fear.

No argument there. I did say it's what I believe. I do believe the timing is too coincidental. I don't have any evidence of that, and I don't expect any, given that making a statement like you posted above would be social and financial suicide. As a result, saying what they did is no more evidence than not saying what I suspect actually happened is. It's a matter of where you decide to fall, and I'm cynical.

I'm aware its not logically sound, but it's no more a choice then deciding to believe WotC's public statements. It's impossible to prove either way.

 

[Gammadoodler]

It should be noted that the most likely weapon for a level 11 fighter, assuming random tables, is +2 at a minimum.

I won't go super into the percents but the table has an 8% chance to be on a table with a +1 weapon and that has a 15% chance of appearing on Table F. That's a 1.2% chance of a +1 weapon.

All weapons with a +2 or above, not including special weapons like Vorpal Blades, has a cumulative 25% chance of appearing with each table having a 10% and 9% chance for +2 and +3 respectively. The last table has +3 weapons but they're connected to special weapons like the Hammer of Thunderbolts.

I could calculate the math if that's not sufficient, but I think the fact that the tables with the +2 and +3 weapons are rolled 1d4 times per instance should also help my case.

The only thing is how many opportunities a lvl 11 character would have had to roll on the lvl 11-16 treasure table vs. rolling on the 1-4 and 5-10 tables.

 

[FrogReaver]

Quick suggestion for the sake of simplicity (forgive me if this as already been offered):

Assume +1 items at tier 2, +2 items at tier 3, and +3 items at tier 4?

Or perhaps at levels 6, 12, and 18 if starting right at the tier seems off.

A fine suggestion. Personally I want to see how much of a difference low magic weapons make vs high end magic weapons as games are known to be wildly different in that area.

So I’ll actually be running calls for a few different magic weapons. If you or anyone has specific suggestions I’ll be happy to accommodate as much as I reasonably can.

 

[tetrasodium]

A fine suggestion. Personally I want to see how much of a difference low magic weapons make vs high end magic weapons as games are known to be wildly different in that area.

So I’ll actually be running calls for a few different magic weapons. If you or anyone has specific suggestions I’ll be happy to accommodate as much as I reasonably can.

The numbers start out pretty favorable & go into areas well beyond merely dramatic. Here is a spreadsheet that will help you easily see the results of various inputs.

 

[FrogReaver]

@EzekielRaiden

one other question I thought of is the reaction attack from PAM. What are your thoughts around that? I’m kind of thinking 1 attack per encounter or 1 attack every other encounter?

 

[FrogReaver]

The numbers start out pretty favorable & go into areas well beyond merely dramatic. Here is a spreadsheet that will help you easily see the results of various inputs.

I’m sure it works great for you. I can’t follow how to use it at all. Very unintuitive for me. So it will be easier for me to run my own calcs.

 

[Asisreo]

The only thing is how many opportunities a lvl 11 character would have had to roll on the lvl 11-16 treasure table vs. rolling on the 1-4 and 5-10 tables.

Hopefully plenty. By time the players are level 11, the creatures in that CR range are either easy or medium, with hard at the max end.

Not to mention that legendary creatures would be introduced and they tend to hoard multiple hoards worth in one place/dungeon.