D&D General Is power creep bad?

[Shardstone]

What an extraordinarily judgemental point of view.

There isn't a single judgement in my post, unless you're talking about me saying that a feat at 1st and 4th level is anemic. And if you think that's extraordinarily judgmental, I don't know what to say.

 

[Seramus]

There isn't a single judgement in my post, unless you're talking about me saying that a feat at 1st and 4th level is anemic. And if you think that's extraordinarily judgmental, I don't know what to say.

I believe they're referring to the first two paragraphs of your post. That was the flame bait. The rest of your post was fine.

 

[Shardstone]

I believe they're referring to the first two paragraphs of your post. That was the flame bait. The rest of your post was fine.

None of that was flame bait. This thread had long since gone off the rails, and for some reason people kept circling Level Drain. It distracted from the topic of the thread.

 

[DND_Reborn]

None of that was flame bait. This thread had long since gone off the rails, and for some reason people kept circling Level Drain. It distracted from the topic of the thread.

Regardless, your first two paragraphs were highly judgmental. If you don't see that, "I don't know what to say." As for the rest, it was ok.

As someone who loved Energy Draining, and feel it had not only the appropriate impact but also fit the narrative, having an equivalent in 5E would be nice. The closest thing you get is loss of Maximum HP, which frankly is really only scary for low-level PCs...

But, I agree, that it would be better in the thread about missing rules in 5E.

 

[Neonchameleon]

From a strictly DM-side game-mechanics point of view, it serves to slow advancement a bit; which is always a quiet goal of mine as IME what kills any long campaign is achieving levels the game doesn't handle well.

YMMV. For me what kills long campaigns is a number of things including having a life outside D&D (that for some players includes kids). And what makes campaigns is character growth; D&D's class system actively inhibits this over the long term - and there's only so much character growth (as opposed to character advancement) most characters can take. D&D is already slow enough and spreads things thin enough that I have no wish to slow it further.

And slowing down and playing paranoid because the DM is using ear seekers of all things? Monsters that are no more than an inventory check ("Did you bring ear trumpets"?) Life's too short. For old school I very much play up the pressure by using wandering monsters for their intended purpose - and if we even see so much as a 10ft pole I've done things wrong.

 

[James Gasik]

Regardless, your first two paragraphs were highly judgmental. If you don't see that, "I don't know what to say." As for the rest, it was ok.

As someone who loved Energy Draining, and feel it had not only the appropriate impact but also fit the narrative, having an equivalent in 5E would be nice. The closest thing you get is loss of Maximum HP, which frankly is really only scary for low-level PCs...

But, I agree, that it would be better in the thread about missing rules in 5E.

We have one of those right now, in fact.

 

[Reynard]

Bringing up Level Drain in 2022 is about as close to a bad faith argument as you can get without actually being in bad faith.

I, too, love hyperbolic strawmen.

 

[Shardstone]

I, too, love hyperbolic strawmen.

I need you to explain to me how Level Drain has any impact on Power Creep in 2022 for D&D 5E.

 

[Bill Zebub]

You could always sneak past them while they devour the torch bearer you tied to a stake down the hall....

Hirelings are OP.

 

[Reynard]

I need you to explain to me how Level Drain has any impact on Power Creep in 2022 for D&D 5E.

No. You weren't looking for a discussion in good faith then and you aren't looking for one now. You want to argue about how "your generation" (whatever that is) has cracked the code on the definition of fun.

Well, congratulations, you win. You never ever have to use level drain. Good job!