Thor: Love and Thunder spoilers

[doctorbadwolf]

Finally got to see this. I loved it! It rocked. As far as I'm concerned, the criticisms against it are all storms in a teacup.

I love that Taika got to have Thor give a shout-out to the Māori god of war, Tūmatauenga, and put an unidentified Māori goddess in the crowd in Omnipotent City.

I also had no issue with Thor not going to ask those gods for help to stop Thanos. I think the only reason he went to ask for help in this movie is because he thought they would help a fellow god. I still wouldn't be surprised if the opening of the multiverse had something to do with it as well, though.


One thing I'm ever so slightly disappointed about here, though, is the "truth" about gods in the MCU. I felt like Thor and his fellow Asgardian "gods" were originally portrayed as being not really gods but actually super advanced space aliens - although there was always something magical about them nevertheless. But this movie makes it seem like all the beings we think of as gods are both a) real and b) space aliens. They're not really supernatural beings from some other dimension. Well, I suppose some might normally live in other dimensions but they come to Omnipotent City to hang out there ... and Omnipotent City is just like a giant space station hanging in some nebula somewhere in outer space. Kinda weird really.

Yeah I much prefer the gods to be gods.

 

[pukunui]

Yeah I much prefer the gods to be gods.

I would prefer them to be either supernatural beings or space aliens but not both.

I liked the idea that the Norse gods were space aliens and that the Bifrost was some kind of wormhole connecting nine locations in real space (as opposed to other dimensions or planes of existence like in mythology). I feel like the MCU has muddied the waters a lot lately. It would seem that normal Asgardians are just humans from another world but their leaders are actual gods, not just space aliens with advanced magitech.

Moon Knight showed us that the Egyptian gods at least dwell in a different dimension ... but all these other Earth and alien gods just hang out on what is essentially a space station in outer space somewhere?

OK, there can be different types of gods, but I just find it all a bit difficult to get my head around.

EDIT: This article sums it up pretty well: The MCU’s gods mythology is a complete mess

 

[pukunui]

On a different note, what do people think Jane’s final catchphrase was?

 

[Davies]

Moon Knight showed us that the Egyptian gods at least dwell in a different dimension ... but all these other Earth and alien gods just hang out on what is essentially a space station in outer space somewhere?

Possibly when the space aliens have been around long enough, they transcend their material forms to become energy beings who reside in different dimensions. Possibly this, rather than dying, is what we see Odin doing in Ragnarok, explaining why he's able to offer some advice to Thor later in the film.

 

[Janx]

On a different note, what do people think Jane’s final catchphrase was?

"Stop! It's Hammer Time!"

 

[Bolares]

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2. Now we have super-heroes, why would we believe in Gods who do nothing....

that's exactly Zeus's point in the post credit scene

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I would prefer them to be either supernatural beings or space aliens but not both.

I liked the idea that the Norse gods were space aliens and that the Bifrost was some kind of wormhole connecting nine locations in real space (as opposed to other dimensions or planes of existence like in mythology). I feel like the MCU has muddied the waters a lot lately. It would seem that normal Asgardians are just humans from another world but their leaders are actual gods, not just space aliens with advanced magitech.

Moon Knight showed us that the Egyptian gods at least dwell in a different dimension ... but all these other Earth and alien gods just hang out on what is essentially a space station in outer space somewhere?

OK, there can be different types of gods, but I just find it all a bit difficult to get my head around.

EDIT: This article sums it up pretty well: The MCU’s gods mythology is a complete mess

Well, I strongly prefer messy to neat and tidy when it comes to things like mythology and world building, but yeah treating most of the gods as strictly space aliens sucks, IMO.

 

[DeviousQuail]

A bunch of gods are hanging out in Omnipotent City but we don't know how many actually live there. It seemed like more of a United Nations building mixed with a 5 star resort than an actual home. Many of them were probably there at the time that Thor shows up because they were all hiding from Gorr. Safety in numbers and all that. Also, if you are going to have a place where gods do meet up then you probably want it to be somewhere that isn't someone's personal realm. A space station floating around in the "real" universe affords a neutral location and allows non-gods to also come around without any hiccups.

As for the Asgardians being aliens and their leaders being gods I wonder if that was something that was earned over time. Odin may have just been another Asgardian once upon a time but then he got/created the Odinforce and that turned him into a god. And now that Thor is showing more signs of using that power I wouldn't be surprised if he turns to gold dust when he eventually dies.

 

[Stalker0]

A bunch of gods are hanging out in Omnipotent City but we don't know how many actually live there. It seemed like more of a United Nations building mixed with a 5 star resort than an actual home. Many of them were probably there at the time that Thor shows up because they were all hiding from Gorr. Safety in numbers and all that. Also, if you are going to have a place where gods do meet up then you probably want it to be somewhere that isn't someone's personal realm. A space station floating around in the "real" universe affords a neutral location and allows non-gods to also come around without any hiccups.

As for the Asgardians being aliens and their leaders being gods I wonder if that was something that was earned over time. Odin may have just been another Asgardian once upon a time but then he got/created the Odinforce and that turned him into a god. And now that Thor is showing more signs of using that power I wouldn't be surprised if he turns to gold dust when he eventually dies.

I like the head cannon, but Thor did say "at Omnipotent City we can raise an army". So that suggests to me that the city normally has quite a few gods, and its not just some "special circumstance"

 

[Bolares]

About the gods thing with Thanos.... This whole movie was about showing how little the gods care. They didn't give a about a dude with a godkilling sword, who had already killed a lot of gods, arguing that Gorr couldn't attack them there. I can see how they would think that Thanos was a "mortal problem" and go on to the next orgy.