Thor: Love and Thunder spoilers

[Staffan]

I wasn't sure about Jane going into this movie, but they did a good job with her. I really like the touch that it was Thor's wish to protect her that convinced Mjolnir to grant her powers (actually was it Mjolnir....see below). It doesn't take away from Jane's worthiness, but it does neatly answer the question, "out of everyone in the world is Jane REALLY the most worthy to get the powers?) It also ties in to something that happens later in the movie that I'll cover in a moment. But ultimately they handled her cancer respectably, and I was a fan of her death at the end, I think it felt appropriate, and it was cool to see her in Valhalla (though as a nerdy scientist is Valhalla REALLY going to be her ideal heaven? It would be interesting to see in Thor 5 her breakout because Valhalla "sucks" for her).

Jane's plot was one of those things I did not particularly like in the movie, perhaps because it doesn't have the same oomph the similar plot from the comics does.

In the comics, Thor becomes "unworthy" for some reason or other, and drops Mjolnir on the moon. He then goes on various adventures as "The Odinson" to try to regain his worthiness. In the meantime, someone else manages to summon and pick up Mjolnir, turning into a female version of Thor, and to begin with there's a bit of mystery regarding who the new Thor is. Eventually we learn that of course it is Jane Foster, who is battling cancer. But one of the horrid things is that when she transforms to Thor, Mjolnir purges her of all poison and sickness... but since the cancer is part of her, it can't do anything about that. What it does purge is the chemo, meaning that every time she transforms she backslides.

 

[Argyle King]

I enjoyed the movie a lot more than I expected to.

Not my favorite Marvel film, but it was a fun ride, and the style seems to be a love letter to 80's sci-fi, Flash Gordon, mythology, and rock music.

 

[BrokenTwin]

I thoroughly enjoyed it. I liked how they didn't bother making it a mystery about who Mighty Thor was, since that cat would have been out of the bag LONG before the movie ever released even if they did try to keep it a secret. Valkyrie finally confirmed onscreen as bi was great, even if it was in "editable for international release" moments. Thor empowering the children to fight the shadow monsters was zany nonsense that I absolutely adored, though it's my personal headcanon that it only worked because Gor didn't want to actually hurt them. Waititi's style isn't for everyone, but it definitely works for me, and him directing it was the only reason I bothered to watch another MCU movie in theatres.

Ever since time travel and the multiverse were established, coherent canon was a lost cause anyway. At any moment a dead character can just appear and "be from a timeline OR 'verse where they survived". Even though they're not the same person, but they keep doing it anyway.

Spoiler: [Resurrections]

White Vision may have Hex Vision's memories, but he's still not OG Vision, time-skipped Gamora isn't Starlord's Gamora, TVA-Loki isn't Thor's Loki despite seeing footage of his life, pre-memorywipe MJ is dead and gone regardless of SpiderMan breaking his promise to meet her again

So I've stopped giving a fig about continuity on a large scale (and the MCU in general, to be honest). We hit comic-level overpowered convoluted nonsense a while ago in the MCU, so at this point I'm just here for the ride and to stan my favorite characters.

 

[John R Davis]

Love & Thunder & Goats & Roses

1. "we're you not entertained" to quote the bard..........Yes, Yes I was. It was ridiculously silly and the goats on the GOTG ship had me nearly peeing myself

2. Now we have super-heroes, why would we believe in Gods who do nothing....

 

[Janx]

We liked it.

I assume the Necrosword, like any intelligent weapon (there were at least 3 on screen), told Gorr what he needed to know.

It was a little ooky having Thor recruit a bunch of children to fight, but he did beef them up, and Gorr didn't seem to want to hurt the children. At least Thor sent them home as soon as Storm Breaker was free. Continuing to train them afterwards might be a bit child-soldiery, but then again, Asgard got wiped (any people nearly wiped out should be expected to have a "never gonna be defenseless again" mentality), and these kids prolly still have the power of Thor.

I liked that Gorr had a complete arc. He had a legitimate beef with the gods. Kinda like Killmonger. I am glad that his conclusion was not based on hitting him more.

 

[trappedslider]

these kids prolly still have the power of Thor.

I don't think do, he told the hammer how long he wanted it to last which was just long enough for them to fight and get away.

 

[Stalker0]

Continuing to train them afterwards might be a bit child-soldiery

Asgard is still a warrior culture, it is absolutely expected that kids would start training early to become warriors. If it seems a little child-soldiery, its because.....it is.

 

[Nutation]

It was also weird that the gods knew about Eternity, but didn't seem to know the bifrost unlocked it? And somehow Gorr knew but noone else did? Also....are the Asguardians the only ones that can use the bifrost, some of those other gods seem pretty strong none of them can use it? Those are more minor points though that I can overlook, they didn't know because they didn't know, and Gorr knew because he was obsessed with finding it and so searched everywhere for the knowledge.

I deduce that other gods have their own distinctive ways of getting around the universe. Thor uses the lightning bolt at one point, so that would be Zeus' method.

 

[BrokenTwin]

Yeah, Asgardians are definitely a warrior culture, and that includes training their children to fight from a early age.

 

[Stalker0]

I deduce that other gods have their own distinctive ways of getting around the universe. Thor uses the lightning bolt at one point, so that would be Zeus' method.

But it begs an interesting question: of all the methods that have been devised, why would Asgardian magic be the key to Eternity? (that's not a plot hole or anything, just an interesting question....did Odin have something to do with sealing Eternity there in the first place?)