Spelljammer [Spelljammer] Illithid to Remain "100% bad guys" -- Neogi maybe not?

[Weiley31]

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Very first image that greets ya on it.

 

[Reynard]

Baby Neogi pics appear in Spelljammer Academy on DNDbeyond.

Great, now the paladin is going to have a moral crisis....

 

[Weiley31]

Great, now the paladin is going to have a moral crisis....

Paladin: Baby Slavers? Eh, good enough for me. grabs the Great Sword.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Great, now the paladin is going to have a moral crisis....

No problem if you're a Vengeance or Conquest Paladin...

 

[Weiley31]

No problem if you're a Vengeance or Conquest Paladin...

But Doctor, I am a Devotion Paladin!
-Pagliacci, 2022.

 

[Argyle King]

I always thought of the Neogi as D&D's version of Ferengi.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

I always thought of the Neogi as D&D's version of Ferengi.

I'd say it's the Mercane or Dohwar that fit into that mold.

 

[tomBitonti]

If their enslave ability were innate, and in use from birth, that seems to impact a Neogi's outlook: A Neogi would tend to view other beings as extensions of themself, not as independent beings.

(Having the Neogi consider others as property seems a coarse way of describing the Neogi, but it is consistent with them having a particular "identity disorder".)

Regardless of whether this is good or evil, it is an alien outlook, one which is intrinsically in conflict with an outlook which espouses self determination and individual action.

The Neogi might present their enslavement ability as efficient and necessary. A short-cut to cooperation which would otherwise be more difficult. To the Neogi, allowing the weak-willed to act independently is allowing foolish potentially destructive behavior.

On a 'wrongness' scale, the ability (and the ensuing outlook) seem very wrong. Not quite at the level as eating the brains of sentient creatures, but still very wrong.

And, the wrongness seems inherent. Absent very specific and contorted circumstances, I don't see a way to use the ability that does not cause harm.

TomB

 

[Reynard]

If their enslave ability were innate, and in use from birth, that seems to impact a Neogi's outlook: A Neogi would tend to view other beings as extensions of themself, not as independent beings.

(Having the Neogi consider others as property seems a coarse way of describing the Neogi, but it is consistent with them having a particular "identity disorder".)

Regardless of whether this is good or evil, it is an alien outlook, one which is intrinsically in conflict with an outlook which espouses self determination and individual action.

The Neogi might present their enslavement ability as efficient and necessary. A short-cut to cooperation which would otherwise be more difficult. To the Neogi, allowing the weak-willed to act independently is allowing foolish potentially destructive behavior.

On a 'wrongness' scale, the ability (and the ensuing outlook) seem very wrong. Not quite at the level as eating the brains of sentient creatures, but still very wrong.

And, the wrongness seems inherent. Absent very specific and contorted circumstances, I don't see a way to use the ability that does not cause harm.

TomB

I like that -- "evil" because it is alien, not necessarily because it is malicious.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I'm just super-ready for less omni-present slavery in D&D.