D&D (2024) There needs to be a 4th spell list.

[UngeheuerLich]

Level Up has online tools too.

Online tools are nice. And I use them. But I also want it to work out of a book.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Online tools are nice. And I use them. But I also want it to work out of a book.

And it works out of the book. I use the book all the time.

 

[Blue Orange]

laugh all we want it might be the only way to get martial exploits into a game made by WotC

Are you reading the Sword World (Japanese TRPG) thread? That's more or less what they do.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

And it works out of the book. I use the book all the time.

I only read it and have not played it. So maybe I am wrong.
But for OneDnD it also has to feel accessible. That is one thing LevelUp was under way lower pressure, as it should be an advanced game with more depth in character building.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

I definitely think they see the healing spells as auto-prepared is a feature, not a bug - that it's built in there to make sure that Bards will fill that healer role for the party without you accidentally ending up with a bunch of spells that do you no good when your friend is bleeding out and the party lacks a Cleric, Paladin, or Druid.

Since when are bards meant to be the dedicated party healer?

At this point their identity is so far removed from their early incarnations in 2e and 3e that it's unrecognisable. What happened to that jack of all trades, dabble in skills and magic while not being the master of either class from earlier editions?

Now they feel more like wizards with healing and guitars.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Since when are bards meant to be the dedicated party healer?

At this point their identity is so far removed from their early incarnations in 2e and 3e that it's unrecognisable. What happened to that jack of all trades, dabble in skills and magic while not being the master of either class from earlier editions?

Now they feel more like wizards with healing and guitars.

Sort of happened in 4e, when they were given the role of "Leader" that Clerics got.

It solved the Jack of All Trades but Master of None problem the Bard got.

It's sort of stuck in 5e, Bards are mostly supposed to be a support class even if they can dabble in other things like control or second-line melee combat.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

Druids cast primal spells.

And clerics cast divine spells. But paladins still exist.

Being a primal themed half caster with a focus of archery and hunters mark (which should totally be an ability not a spell) is enough to get them holding their own niche.

We've had a thread every 2 weeks with "swordmagewen" for the last 8 years. We don't need the same with ranger.

 

[Haplo781]

I also want a Martial spell list! Down with maneuvers, give me Final Fantasy Limit Breaks!

 

[Micah Sweet]

I only read it and have not played it. So maybe I am wrong.
But for OneDnD it also has to feel accessible. That is one thing LevelUp was under way lower pressure, as it should be an advanced game with more depth in character building.

True. accessibility is a much lower priority for me, to the point where WotC catering to it actively works against my experience with them.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And clerics cast divine spells. But paladins still exist.

Being a primal themed half caster with a focus of archery and hunters mark (which should totally be an ability not a spell) is enough to get them holding their own niche.

We've had a thread every 2 weeks with "swordmagewen" for the last 8 years. We don't need the same with ranger.

If they made the ranger actually match (or even approach) the fantasy archetype in pop culture, you wouldn't have this argument.