The "I Didn't Comment in Another Thread" Thread

[Umbran]

They've devalued gold pieces as metacurrency in 5E, yes, but I'm talking about "all D&D," and in the OSR sphere and older editions (AD&D1E, for example) it reigns supreme.

I think this is now discussion focused enough that it no longer belongs in this thread. So, while I don't fully agree with you, I'll let it go.

 

[Ryujin]

Me neither. I have played and and run for groups with different degrees of that, and I definitely into tactical play, using different environments and making terrain (though I am equally comfortable running ToTM style), but without the stakes that the role-playing a character aspect brings, it all loses its juice for me.

Exactly. I tend to play tactically, also, but genuinely try to think about how much someone who was actually in a given situation might be willing to risk. From a heroic level, of course

 

[el-remmen]

@el-remmen

Given I just saw a perfect subjective/objective, and some of the other posts today (including the fact that there was a new thread by me) ...

I WISH I WAS PLAYING ENWORLD BINGO!

I should put those ENWorld Bingo cards I made somewhere public for folks to download. Remember! The rules are all five that make the line have to appear in the same thread for a CRIT!

 

[overgeeked]

Still, without the Role Playing part of RPG, which is collaborative storytelling, it's not the same game.

Role-playing is making decisions based on what your character would do. You pretend you’re that person, that they’re real, that the situation they’re in is real, and you re/act accordingly.

Yes, RPGs are ultimately collaborative storytelling because they use input from everyone involved (plus the rules and dice), but RPGs are still not movies. And don’t put the cart before the horse.

If dice are involved, you will inevitably have an anticlimactic situation. It’s the BBEG fight, end of the decades long campaign…and you roll badly the whole fight and can’t hit the guy. You make the perfect speech…and roll a 1.

So you have to choose. Dice or cinematic storytelling? If you ignore the dice, it’s no longer a game. If you ignore the push for cinematic storytelling, it’s no longer trying to be something it’s not…namely a movie.

RPGs are about emergent storytelling. Whatever happens as a result of the referee‘s prep, the players’ decisions, and the roll of the dice. If you want cinematic, play a game with rules that push cinematic action. Fate, HeroQuest 2E, etc.

I've been in groups that treated the whole thing as just another game, with set victory conditions and the like, and it just plain suuuuuuucked. Everything is meta. Everything is about DPR. Not fun. For me, at least.

There’s wargame game and then there’s random chance, luck, and skill game. I was using game there to refer to the latter, not the former. I can’t stand RPG play that devolves into video game or wargame play.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I think Karma would be a cool warlock patron.
Or a very uncool one, it's up to you.

Eh, might be better as a Cleric Domain (maybe Luck Domain would work?) or even Paladin Oath (Oath of Vengeance is kind of similar).

 

[RealAlHazred]

I think this is now discussion focused enough that it no longer belongs in this thread.

Fair point, I shall also drop it. I think we're mainly in agreement on generalities in any case.

 

[Ryujin]

Role-playing is making decisions based on what your character would do. You pretend you’re that person, that they’re real, that the situation they’re in is real, and you re/act accordingly.

Yes, RPGs are ultimately collaborative storytelling because they use input from everyone involved (plus the rules and dice), but RPGs are still not movies. And don’t put the cart before the horse.

If dice are involved, you will inevitably have an anticlimactic situation. It’s the BBEG fight, end of the decades long campaign…and you roll badly the whole fight and can’t hit the guy. You make the perfect speech…and roll a 1.

So you have to choose. Dice or cinematic storytelling? If you ignore the dice, it’s no longer a game. If you ignore the push for cinematic storytelling, it’s no longer trying to be something it’s not…namely a movie.

RPGs are about emergent storytelling. Whatever happens as a result of the referee‘s prep, the players’ decisions, and the roll of the dice. If you want cinematic, play a game with rules that push cinematic action. Fate, HeroQuest 2E, etc.

There’s wargame game and then there’s random chance, luck, and skill game. I was using game there to refer to the latter, not the former. I can’t stand RPG play that devolves into video game or wargame play.

On more than one occasion I have, in fact, ignored the dice because the result was a better experience for the players.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Eh, might be better as a Cleric Domain (maybe Luck Domain would work?) or even Paladin Oath (Oath of Vengeance is kind of similar).

I am totally playing a Karma Police. Um ... Oath of Karma Police Vengeance.

 

[overgeeked]

On more than one occasion I have, in fact, ignored the dice because the result was a better experience for the players.

It’s your game, so you do you, but why bother with rules and dice if you’re just going to ignore them?

 

[billd91]

It’s your game, so you do you, but why bother with rules and dice if you’re just going to ignore them?

Because it's not a binary issue. Never has been.