D&D 5E Companion thread to 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part VIII: Mystic, aka Psion)

[Mind of tempest]

I agree. I don't mind niche-crossover. The last thing you want is for only one class to be able to do a thing that's needed, or someone "has" to play it. However, like you say, the "best" should probably remain the best. The mystic went too far, but that was part of UA playtesting. A part I think they should be careful about (sometimes I expect people will downvote a playtest thing because if it's "power level" - the thing they say they will fix later - and you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

power level should be a standard voting topic as it would make things so much easier to judge.

 

[Mind of tempest]

why does everybody have it out for the meat mage?

the nomad is by far the dullest subclass it is like a worse summoner.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Kinda surprised to see this got its own thread, seeing as how it wasn't even published as a class at all. But I guess we "needed" more controversy fodder to be voted out in the first 20 posts of the final round.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I was okay with the mystic class generally, but it was left in a state which can only be described as unfinished. So many of the abilities were vague or broken. With a few more rounds of quality control it could have become something useable.

 

[Ancalagon]

I agree. I don't mind niche-crossover. The last thing you want is for only one class to be able to do a thing that's needed, or someone "has" to play it. However, like you say, the "best" should probably remain the best. The mystic went too far, but that was part of UA playtesting. A part I think they should be careful about (sometimes I expect people will downvote a playtest thing because if it's "power level" - the thing they say they will fix later - and you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

An "all mystic" party is probably the best "all of one class" party you could ever have.

I do agree that it could probably have been fixed.

Edit: something else that bothered me - the Wu Jen. Maybe I am too influenced by the 3.5 version, but I feel like the wu jen should not be done as psionics.

 

[Mind of tempest]

An "all mystic" party is probably the best "all of one class" party you could ever have.

I do agree that it could probably have been fixed.

Edit: something else that bothered me - the Wu Jen. Maybe I am too influenced by the 3.5 version, but I feel like the wu jen should not be done as psionics.

what have you not heard of the A-men the all cleric party?

 

[EzekielRaiden]

what have you not heard of the A-men the all cleric party?

Or the B-team that are all Bards?

(More seriously an all-Bard team would actually be quite effective. Couple Lore nerds for different areas of expertise/Magical Secrets, Valor tank, Eloquence face/support, and maybe Creation as a tricksy type. They wouldn't have the same staying power as a Fighter or Cleric but with everyone contributing to healing and having Bardic Inspiration on hand...especially if they pick up that juicy Hexblade dip...)

 

[Ancalagon]

From what I have seen, the all mystic party would be much more versatile - and capable! - than an all cleric or all bard party - I think @FitzTheRuke can back me up on that one.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Yeah, as the UA was written, an all-Mystic party would have been more capable than any other class. Bards and Clerics can be constructed to make a party, but the Mystic was designed to fill all "roles" (so that there only needed to be one Psionic class.

I think all they needed to do is to understand that while there is need for a Psion (whatever the name), it does NOT need to be able to be a one-class-party. It probably should replace a Wizard, but with a bit less niche (closer to a sorcerer, really) and Psionic subclasses could fill the rest of your party (if you wanted an all-psionic game).

BUT - psionic subclasses cannot fulfill the entire psionic component of the game. There ought to be one class, but it does not have to do everything that psionics can offer.

 

[Undrave]

I was okay with the mystic class generally, but it was left in a state which can only be described as unfinished. So many of the abilities were vague or broken. With a few more rounds of quality control it could have become something useable.

They really should have focused on a smaller subset of abilities and use those to guide the creaton of more.

Yeah, as the UA was written, an all-Mystic party would have been more capable than any other class. Bards and Clerics can be constructed to make a party, but the Mystic was designed to fill all "roles" (so that there only needed to be one Psionic class.

Like I said previously: The caster type Psion and the Immortal or what have you that modifies their own body. The ycould have given that one an Atavist subclass that turns into half-animal form, a bit like the Beast Barbarian.