D&D General Reminder: Spellfire can come out of any body part…

[TheSword]

We sometimes need to wrestle with the fact that people who are nice in many ways can also be not-so-great in many ways.

Okay. But if we were talking about any other poster on these forums we would have to be respectful about it.

I wouldn’t be allowed to make pretty strong allegations about someone for instance without having some pretty strong evidence to support it. At least I would hope this would be the case.

 

[Umbran]

I wouldn’t be allowed to make pretty strong allegations about someone for instance without having some pretty strong evidence to support it. At least I would hope this would be the case.

That his writing tends to the immaturely sexist is there for us all to see, and has been quoted.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I imagine there are parts of America not to mention the rest of the world where there wasn’t a whole lot of diversity.

Ooooh, yeah!

My freshman year roomie stopped in the doorway when he first saw me. (He wasn’t racist per se, he just literally didn’t know any black people.) There’s a couple in Kamchatka that insisted on taking a picture of me when I was in a Budapest. They wanted PROOF.

…and I’m more of a caramel than chocolatey or darker.

 

[TheSword]

That his writing tends to the immaturely sexist is there for us all to see, and has been quoted.

Well it might be immaturely sexual. I’m not going to agree that it’s sexist. It seems like the writing is pretty indiscriminate between the male and female characters. He put a female lead in a heroic role and described spellfire coming from her breast …. Note not breasts.

That criticism of Greenwood, segued into a pretty strong attack on him and others. But the point is this is a thread about him, he writes on here from time to time as I understand it and I just think people should be more careful.

It’s OK to not like Ed Greenwood books, but as I said, if it was any other forum poster that was being discussed I think you’d have your moderator hat on and be cooling things down.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Almost done with it, the 2nd half is actually really good.

The first half is just bad. I'm sure kids back in the day loved the "And the 2 wizards blasted 2 Draco-liches, 1 Black Dragon, and 2 Archmages to oblivion back to back and then got it on in a pile of gold" (this is not accurate to the scenes but all that still happened more or less).

If I were to do a re-write I'd somehow swap the stuff that happens in the 2nd half with the 1st half. Training, Elminster, deciding on a path. Then obliterating Draco-Liches likes like they aren't an issue.

 

[Blue Orange]

Well it might be immaturely sexual. I’m not going to agree that it’s sexist. It seems like the writing is pretty indiscriminate between the male and female characters. He put a female lead in a heroic role and described spellfire coming from her breast …. Note not breasts.

That criticism of Greenwood, segued into a pretty strong attack on him and others. But the point is this is a thread about him, he writes on here from time to time as I understand it and I just think people should be more careful.

It’s OK to note like Ed Greenwood books, but as I said, if it was any other forum poster that was being discussed I think you’d have your moderator hat on and be cooling things down.

It's interesting to me that we've cycled from 'talking about breasts is bad because it's indecent' in the 50s to 'talking about breasts is OK because sex is OK' in the 90s (when the book was published) to 'talking about breasts is bad because it's sexist' in the 10s and 20s. (In the 2050s? Who knows?)

To me it just says the human animal has the same impulses (often conflicting), and finds different rationalizations based on the time. We all (well, most of us) want sex, but if we have it indiscriminately there are problems. The old morality went away, now a new one comes about to serve the same purpose. But that is my opinion only.

There's also a shift now in the definition of '-isms' from intent (ill will or stereotyping of the group) to impact (produces a negative impact on the group, including emotional).

 

[QuentinGeorge]

Weird that this is the Greenwoodism that gets people's goat, when he canonically established Mirt as marrying his own (Adoptive) daughter.

 

[Voadam]

Weird that this is the Greenwoodism that gets people's goat, when he canonically established Mirt as marrying his own (Adoptive) daughter.

Is that in the same book?

 

[Alzrius]

Is that in the same book?

No, it's from Elminster in Hell.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Weird that this is the Greenwoodism that gets people's goat, when he canonically established Mirt as marrying his own (Adoptive) daughter.

Didn't Elminster raise some of the Seven Sisters and end up hooking up with one?

Anywho, finished the book. I liked the second half. Def comes off as some kind of wish fulfillment book. The level 1 Thief gains THE ULTIMATE POWER and obliterates no less than 3 Dracoliches, 100 cultists, not to mention several monsters and assassins and archmages. Oh and meets, sleeps with (and gets pregnant) and marries her true love within the span of a few days. Plus makes friends with perhaps Faeruns most powerful mages, organization, and a King.