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[Yaarel]

I agree that cosmology belongs as DMG suggestions, but I've never had an issue using the Cleric class for non-theistic or non-religious characters. As long as the player and DM are on the same page flavor-wise, the actual mechanics are fairly agnostic with regard to power source.

To me the flavor matters, in some ways more than the mechanics. I value mechanics and flavor equally.

I need the flavor of the Cleric class description to welcome nontheistic religious traditions as well as theistic ones. This also relates to reallife inclusivity. Not all players come from theistic cultures, nor are especially interested in theism.

The Cleric class works better when more inclusive. This likewise helps the class be more versatile for different kinds of D&D settings.

Setting including cosmology belongs in the DMs Guide. Not the Cleric class.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

To me the flavor matters, in some ways more than the mechanics. I value mechanics and flavor equally.

I need the flavor of the Cleric class description to welcome nontheistic religious traditions as well as theistic ones. This also relates to reallife inclusivity. Not all players come from theistic cultures, nor are especially interested in theism.

The Cleric class works better when more inclusive. This likewise helps the class be more versatile for different kinds of D&D settings.

Setting including cosmology belongs in the DMs Guide. Not the Cleric class.

I don't agree cause of the Cleric's name. Cleric's are people of faith. And the default Cosmology should be part of the PHB.

 

[Yaarel]

I don't agree cause of the Cleric's name. Cleric's are people of faith.

Not all religions are "faiths".

"Faith" is a Christian-centric ethnocentrism.



The term "cleric" is inclusive. It can refer to any kind of official function for any kind of sacred tradition.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Not all religions are "faiths".

"Faith" is a Christian-centric ethnocentrism.

A system of religious belief. Not necessarily Christian.

"Faith: strong belief in a god or in the doctrines of a religion"

You can have faith in any religion or spiritual matter.

 

[Yaarel]

A system of religious belief. Not necessarily Christian.

"Faith: strong belief in a god or in the doctrines of a religion"

"Belief" is a Christian-centric ethnocentrism.

Many religions have zero "god" and zero "strong belief" in one.

Not all sacred traditions are "beliefs".

Many sacred traditions are about praxis (conduct) without belief (dogma).

Theism is ethnocentric and noninclusive.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

"Belief" is a Christian-centric ethnocentrism.

Many religions zero "god" and zero "strong belief" in one.

Not all sacred traditions are "beliefs".

Many sacred traditions are about conduct.

Theism is ethnocentric and noninclusive.

You just ignored what I quoted. It even said "or the doctrines of a religion." You can have belief in a religion without a god. Belief just means you accept something is true.

Not even trying to debate you about the various types of religions. Just saying Clerics are people of faith who whole heartedly believe in their religion.

 

[Yaarel]

You just ignored what I quoted. It even said "or the doctrines of a religion." You can have belief in a religion without a god. Belief just means you accept something is true.

Not even trying to debate you about the various types of religions. Just saying Clerics are people of faith who whole heartedly believe in their religion.

What you quoted is ethnocentric.

"Faith [= Christianity]:
strong belief [= Christianity]
in a god [= Christianity]
or in the doctrines of a religion"

The word "faith" is noninclusive.



"Clerics" include people without faith and without belief.

These clerics are officiate in a sacred tradition where faith and belief are irrelevant.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

What you quoted is ethnocentric.

"Faith [= Christianity]:
strong belief [= Christianianity]
in a god [= Christianity]
or in the doctrines of a religion"

The word "faith" is noninclusive.

It is not. Faith is a word that applies to many many religions. I am not Christian, so I feel like you are being very disrespectful about this. I don't like the whole lumping everything together you do.

 

[Yaarel]

It is not. Faith is a word that applies to many many religions. I am not Christian, so I feel like you are being very disrespectful about this. I don't like the whole lumping everything together you do.

Many sacred traditions value faith. Many other sacred traditions dont.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Many sacred traditions value faith. Many other sacred traditions dont.

Sacred Traditions are not the same as Religions. Do you mean spiritual traditions which essentially are?