D&D General DM Says No Powergaming?

[hawkeyefan]

Sure, from a practical perspective, not so much. But I'm very much not a fan of the principle behind it.

See I’d say that the concern about consistency even in situations that won’t come up is where questionable principles come into it.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

An Ancient Red Dragon has 546 HP. A 1st level Magic Missile deals on average 10.5 hp, so you could kill it in one turn with just 52 first level Wizards.

A good investment, I'd say.

 

[payn]

When that 3e dragon accidentally picks the village full of 20th level commoners...

 

[overgeeked]

So what's the alternative?

Play games either not put out by WotC or games without those holes. Find a system that's as close to what you want as possible and house rule the rest.

What do you play?

All kinds of things. D&D 5E, D&D 4E, AD&D, B/X, WFRP2E, Labyrinth, Over the Edge 3rd Edition, Masks: A New Generation, Marvel Heroic, Cortex Prime, Cartel, EZD6, Traveller, Doctor Who RPG, Paranoia, Monty Python's CMRP, Call of Cthulhu 7E, FKR, The Extraordinary Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Dungeon Crawl Classics, Dread, Kobolds Ate My Baby, Risus, Lasers & Feelings, WEG Star Wars, Changeling 20th, Toon, Fabula Ultima, Blade Runner, Fate...and more. I've played in or run at least one session of all of those in the last 3 years.

I have finally come to the conclusion that WotC isn't going to make the game I want, so I have to make it myself.

Sure. That's one way to go. The other is to poke around and see what's out there and find a game that's close enough to what you want and house rule it the rest of the way to your ideal game.

 

[iserith]

An Ancient Red Dragon has 546 HP. A 1st level Magic Missile deals on average 10.5 hp, so you could kill it in one turn with just 52 first level Wizards.

A good investment, I'd say.

Trading one problem for another really - some of those wizards will surely turn evil and become villains.

 

[Bill Zebub]

And, yet, players seem to be absolutely reluctant to allow an enemy an Opportunity Attack against their PC, IME. Even when the more interesting and/or tactical choice would be to move away and risk it, they choose to stay put. Even when that enemy is likely going to take a swing at them anyway on the next turn. Anyone other DMs experiencing this?

Reluctant but not absolutely so. In last night’s game we had two incidents of players choosing to provoke OAs. (One was a crit.)

 

[Warpiglet-7]

Trading one problem for another really - some of those wizards will surely turn evil and become villains.

I find that an interesting proposition. In my campaign world anyway, you would be hard pressed to ever encounter that many wizards of any level ever!

We often have level 1-3 wizards as fairly uncommon things! I think I am still stuck in gygax’s realm. But I don’t mind.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Play games either not put out by WotC or games without those holes. Find a system that's as close to what you want as possible and house rule the rest.

All kinds of things. D&D 5E, D&D 4E, AD&D, B/X, WFRP2E, Labyrinth, Over the Edge 3rd Edition, Masks: A New Generation, Marvel Heroic, Cortex Prime, Cartel, EZD6, Traveller, Doctor Who RPG, Paranoia, Monty Python's CMRP, Call of Cthulhu 7E, FKR, The Extraordinary Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Dungeon Crawl Classics, Dread, Kobolds Ate My Baby, Risus, Lasers & Feelings, WEG Star Wars, Changeling 20th, Toon, Fabula Ultima, Blade Runner, Fate...and more. I've played in or run at least one session of all of those in the last 3 years.

Sure. That's one way to go. The other is to poke around and see what's out there and find a game that's close enough to what you want and house rule it the rest of the way to your ideal game.

That's what I did. For me, it's called Level Up.

 

[Maxperson]

Again, this doesn't seem like a bounded accuracy issue. It seems like you think they should have damage reduction, which is perfectly reasonable.

Never mind. That was a bit snarky.

 

[Cadence]

How many times do you need me to tell you that this isn't nearly just dragons? Please let me know so I can get it over with in one post.

So, I'm hearing lots of creature need damage reduction?

;-)