Willow - Official Teaser Trailer

[Argyle King]

Most frequently that's seen as being because the soldier's/adventurer's viewpoint has changed as a result of what they've seen, rather than their home changing. An exception to that would be "The Scouring of the Shire" in "The Lord of the Rings", in which both the characters and the Shire have changed.

Airk will be returning to his original destiny, which will be to become the king. Kit's destiny was to become a political chess piece. Obviously that will have changed because the other pawn, Graydon, isn't quite on the same board anymore. Or maybe he will be?

I'm not sure that Airk ever would have been king. If Kit and Graydon were meant to join two kingdoms, that would have meant they would become king and queen. Airk would remain in a lesser role than Kit.

Regarding a soldiers viewpoint: I can somewhat agree with that. A change in viewpoint can mean seeing that what you were told was good/evil may not be how things actually are. Sometimes it also means realizing that the criteria you were given for how to evaluate others as being "bad" applies to those who instructed you to fight it.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I'm not sure that Airk ever would have been king.

He is the older sibling, and says in episode 6 that he is to be king. Of course, their status as royalty is rather dubious, since their mother is the daughter of a usurper, and their father a scoundrel. Technically, Elora Dannan is the rightful monarch, because magic.

If Kit and Graydon were meant to join two kingdoms, that would have meant they would become king and queen. Airk would remain in a lesser role than Kit.

Joining in a permanent alliance (see: EU), not a single kingdom. Airk would be king of Tir Asleen, Graydon would be king and head of state of Galladoorn, with Kat as his queen consort. Galladoorn appears to be a much larger more powerful kingdom, so Graydon would be the senior partner, with Airk number two. Kat gets to wave an open fetes.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

5) If that can be extrapolated from what has been said to be limited on-screen information, I would posit that the things I've brought forward are equally as valuable to weigh. In particular, he's shown to have some motivation to evolve beyond the boyish prince and become something more when given the opportunity. Why is he deemed less worthy of a happy ending than Jade, Kit, and Elora?

This seems like a ludicrous viewpoint. Not every character in every story is going to get the same sort of ending.

You seem to think this is some sort of competition, and Airk was very unfairly awarded a 8.7 by the judges instead of the 9.9 he deserved or something.

This is a story. Airk is a guy who has a lot to work out about himself. He was certainly not in love with Elora Danan. A child could tell you this from watching the show. He was in love with Dove. This is text, not subtext. Whereas the stuff you're insisting on is both bizarre and not even subtext, let alone text in many cases.

Joining in a permanent alliance (see: EU), not a single kingdom. Airk would be king of Tir Asleen, Graydon would be king and head of state of Galladoorn, with Kat as his queen consort. Galladoorn appears to be a much larger more powerful kingdom, so Graydon would be the senior partner, with Airk number two. Kat gets to wave an open fetes.

Exactly. It's like some people have never played Crusader Kings and married off their children for alliances!

 

[Argyle King]

He is the older sibling, and says in episode 6 that he is to be king. Of course, their status as royalty is rather dubious, since their mother is the daughter of a usurper, and their father a scoundrel. Technically, Elora Dannan is the rightful monarch, because magic.

Joining in a permanent alliance (see: EU), not a single kingdom. Airk would be king of Tir Asleen, Graydon would be king and head of state of Galladoorn, with Kat as his queen consort. Galladoorn appears to be a much larger more powerful kingdom, so Graydon would be the senior partner, with Airk number two. Kat gets to wave an open fetes.

Tir Asleen has historically followed a matriarchal line of succession.

I'll have to rewatch how the marriage proposal was worded. I had thought it was said that the two kingdoms would be joined as one.

This seems like a ludicrous viewpoint. Not every character in every story is going to get the same sort of ending.

You seem to think this is some sort of competition, and Airk was very unfairly awarded a 8.7 by the judges instead of the 9.9 he deserved or something.

This is a story. Airk is a guy who has a lot to work out about himself. He was certainly not in love with Elora Danan. A child could tell you this from watching the show. He was in love with Dove. This is text, not subtext. Whereas the stuff you're insisting on is both bizarre and not even subtext, let alone text in many cases.


Exactly. It's like some people have never played Crusader Kings and married off their children for alliances!

Sure, not every character does get a positive ending. That's true. Though, it is noticeable that one central character does not, while everybody else does. The suggestion that Airk should feel happy just because he is where other people have decided to return him to a state/place they feel he should be is a good illustration of why I questioned where (and to whom) he had been a mindslave.

Most likely, that's not an aspect that the show is intending to explore. But it is noticeable in a show which spends some time on social messaging on a Disney platform.

Competition? No, but Airk does potentially fill a character niche and role which appeals to a different subsection of the audience.

I completely agree that Airk has a lot to work out for himself. That's part of my point.

 

[Zaukrie]

Overall.... The show was fine to good. None of it was as good as our other recent fantasy shows, not in our house anyway. I certainly would not suggest anyone subscribe to watch this. I'm not even sure I recommend watching it, but I wouldn't recommend not watching it either.

 

[Zardnaar]

Overall.... The show was fine to good. None of it was as good as our other recent fantasy shows, not in our house anyway. I certainly would not suggest anyone subscribe to watch this. I'm not even sure I recommend watching it, but I wouldn't recommend not watching it either.

Yeah that's fairbits the weakest out of the recent fantasy shows.

Movie was better.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Tir Asleen has historically followed a matriarchal line of succession.

I don't know where you are getting that from. Airk is heir presumptive based on primogeniture - he is the older twin. It's all in episode 6 dialogue. Bavmorda was ruler through conquest and murder, not legal claim, and Sorcha became ruler as the de facto leader of the forces who overthrew Bavmorda (Madmartigan not being the sort of person you would put in charge of a flock of geese, never mind a kingdom).

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Overall.... The show was fine to good. None of it was as good as our other recent fantasy shows, not in our house anyway. I certainly would not suggest anyone subscribe to watch this. I'm not even sure I recommend watching it, but I wouldn't recommend not watching it either.

Personally, I much preferred it to Grimdark stuff like The Witcher and Game of Thrones. I don't confuse misery for quality.

I also preferred it to the Wheel of Time adaptation, which, whilst less grimdark was confusing (at least for someone who hasn't read the books) and lacked likable characters.

But the best fantasy series I have seen recently is the BBC's His Dark Materials adaptation.

 

[Argyle King]

I don't know where you are getting that from. Airk is heir presumptive based on primogeniture - he is the older twin. It's all in episode 6 dialogue. Bavmorda was ruler through conquest and murder, not legal claim, and Sorcha became ruler as the de facto leader of the forces who overthrew Bavmorda (Madmartigan not being the sort of person you would put in charge of a flock of geese, never mind a kingdom).

If Airk was designated as next in line for succession, that certainly wasn't illustrated in his interactions with Sorcha contrasted with Sorcha's interactions with Kit.

While not necessarily the case throughout real-world history, I would like to believe that some general semblance of competence would play into choosing an heir.

Seems a bit odd to invest time into making sure Kit has skills associated with what is noble is supposed to be if the intent was to give the crown to someone else.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

If Airk was designated as next in line for succession, that certainly wasn't illustrated in his interactions with Sorcha contrasted with Sorcha's interactions with Kit.

While not necessarily the case throughout real-world history, I would like to believe that some general semblance of competence would play into choosing an heir.

Seems a bit odd to invest time into making sure Kit has skills associated with what is noble is supposed to be if the intent was to give the crown to someone else.

Airk and Kit had the same upbringing and education. Which was probably a lot less strict than you would expect of a hereditary monarchy, but unsurprising, given their parents were not hereditary monarchs. Airk was cutting gym class, but their academic curriculum wasn't mentioned. I doubt either was a model student when it came to subjects they didn't enjoy.