D&D (2024) Welcome to the Grognards

[DarkCrisis]

They are changing D&D and you don't like it!

Why are they catering to some new market!? What about me the current and long time fan??? Obviously it will fail!

Adding in things I never thought to associate with D&D like combat wheelchairs microtransactions?!?!

What is this easy mode? What next? You can Raise the dead with level 1 spells? Everyone regens full HP after combat? Save Points??!?!?!?!

What next? Weird new characters with weird gear that make no sense to me at all! I've played a Catgirl Half-Vampire Paladin Fairy Princess Rogue for 4 years and we don't need anything better! It works just fine!

What next? They change classes to vocations? It was fine before! Just a few people didn't like it and they are an internet based minority! Classes has worked forever!

This is obviously the death of D&D. I should know I've been playing for 1 5 10 15 20 plus years, so I know this new fangled One D&D with it's weird new AI DMs and young(er) players and it's weird new AI Virtual Beyond rules will not stand.

I'll just keep playing real D&D, those youths can have their failing unrecognizable Pro-Corporate HASBRO version. They better not make a sad clown character who hates the youths named Roll20 or something in one of their books!

If I wanted to play WoW, I'd play WoW.

BTW the OGL Hasbro stuff is BS, this is just poking fun about how things move in circles. I can recall from a year ago when fans were telling other fans "The future is now, old man!" "It's a new generation with new needs!" And Hasbro is banking on a new new generation to fill the coffers. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

As long as you have your books, you can play D&D however you like. I still play AD&D. Plan to play some retro clones (Castles & Crusades look fun and easy). I sometimes play some 5E. I might even play some 6E (or whatever). I'll probably play other games entirely (you really should branch out if you haven't yet).

It will be fine. Even if Classic D&D changes and changes to something you barely recognize. You still have your books, and while the current ed may be easier to find a group for, there are still people out there willing to play the older eds. You want 3E or 5E or 1E, you can find those games, and even easier thanks to the internet.

Welcome to the Grognards. I hope you brought your own dice.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

As long as you have your books, you can play D&D however you like. I still play AD&D. Plan to play some retro clones (Castles & Crusades look fun and easy). I sometimes play some 5E. I might even play some 6E (or whatever). I'll probably play other games entirely (you really should branch out if you haven't yet).

GROGNARDS UNITE! It is time to break out the classics and form RPG VOLTRON!

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10.

 

[rogueattorney]

De-coupling my game from the current TSR rule set back in 1992 was the best thing I ever did for my game.

All you need is a set of rules you can all live with, a group of friends, and dice. Make the rest up or adapt whatever interests you, not just from game products, but from books, movies and real life, too.

Gygax was the only one in the rpg industry to ever tell us the truth, “The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.”

You don’t need anyone’s permission or instruction to pretend to be an elf.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I... just never tied my hobby identity to a brand in the first place. Very easy, barely an inconvenience.

 

[tsadkiel]

They are changing D&D and you don't like it!

I am fifty years old. This is far from the first time they've changed D&D in a way that I don't like, and it won't be the last. That's fine. They don't have to cater to me specifically as a customer, I'll just pick up the things that interest me.

The issue isn't changing D&D at all, the issue is releasing sharks into the safe harbor.

(Ironically I actually liek a lot of the proposed OneD&D changes, but there's no way I'm picking up the books now.)

 

[Alzrius]

People use that GIF to satirize old-timers, but given that WotC appears to be banking everything on their VTT initiative, I'm quite comfortable yelling at the cloud.

 

[Velderan]

8.

That game doesn't get enough love.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

That game doesn't get enough love.

I will go to by deathbed saying that FASERIP Marvel Super Heroes is one of the all-time classics. And it still holds up.

 

[Velderan]

I will go to by deathbed saying that FASERIP Marvel Super Heroes is one of the all-time classics. And it still holds up.

Have you played the retroclone? It does a pretty good job of cleaning up some of the imbalance the original had.

 

[Charlaquin]

I am fifty years old. This is far from the first time they've changed D&D in a way that I don't like, and it won't be the last. That's fine. They don't have to cater to me specifically as a customer, I'll just pick up the things that interest me.

The issue isn't changing D&D at all, the issue is releasing sharks into the safe harbor.

(Ironically I actually liek a lot of the proposed OneD&D changes, but there's no way I'm picking up the books now.)

Exactly. The issue here really isn’t about D&D changing, it’s about the creative ecosystem that surrounded it getting nuked.