D&D (2024) New One D&D Playtest Shows Us The New Druid & Paladin

WotC has released the fourth One D&D playtest document. This 29-page PDF includes the druid and the paladin with Circle of the Moon and Oath of Devotion subclasses.

Druid. The Druid class and Circle of the Moon subclass are ready for playtesting here.

Paladin. The Paladin class and Oath of Devotion subclass are ready for playtesting here.

Feats. Several revised feats appear here for your feedback, with more revised feats coming in future articles.

Spells. More spells are ready for playtesting, with a focus on smite spells, Find Familiar, and Find Steed.

Rules Glossary. The rules glossary has been updated again and supersedes the glossary in previous Unearthed Arcana articles. In this document, any underlined term in the body text appears in that glossary, which defines game terms that have been clarified or redefined for this playtest or that don’t appear in the 2014 Player’s Handbook.

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[Kobold Stew]

I didn't even realise planeshift was on the druid spell list, was 5e the first time it was added? I always thought of it as a cleric spell.

AD&D -- Cleric only, level 5
2nd -- Priest level 5.
3.5 -- Cleric 5, Sorc/Wiz 7.
4th -- Planar Portal is an 18th level ritual; requires the Ritual Caster Feat, which Wizards and Clerics get for free, but other characters can make as long as they are trained in Arcana or Religion. (Druids did not exist as a PHB class).
5th -- Cler, Druid, Sorc, Warlock, Wiz 7

 

[cbwjm]

AD&D -- Cleric only, level 5
3.5 -- Cleric 5, Sorc/Wiz 7.
(not in 4?)
5th -- Cler, Druid, Sorc, Warlock, Wiz 7

So basically everyone who is a full caster, with the bard able to pick it up through magical secrets. Seems an odd choice to throw it in for everyone, maybe they are tidying things up to try to make the lists a little more distinct.

 

[Maxperson]

there is no such thing as useing a 5th+ level spell (7th in this case I think) spell routinly... more then 60% of campaigns end by 10th and after that more and mroe end per level... getting to where you can cast 1 plane shift in the entire campaign is rare

Yes and no. It's all relative. There's what? 30 million players? If even 5% of those hit 13th level, that's 1.5 million players hitting 7th level spells in their games. At 5 per group(1 DM and 4 players which I believe is average), that's 300,000 groups which is tons in my book.

 

[Maxperson]

For what it's worth, the spell only appears on the Arcane and Divine spell lists (not on Primal), which means henceforth (if this stays, as I expect it would) it will not be available to Druids.

It's also unavailable to Bards, who do not have access to it either in PHB 2014 or in the playtest (since it is a level 7 conjuration spell).

PHB 2014 has Plane Shift available for Sorcerers and Warlocks; if there were specialist school assignments (a la Bards) for those classes in DDOne, it is possible they could lose access to it as well, but I would be surprised if either did.

It's available to bards via Magical Secrets. They can select it at 14th or 18th level. 2014 version anyway. Not sure about 2023.

 

[Kobold Stew]

So basically everyone who is a full caster, with the bard able to pick it up through magical secrets. Seems an odd choice to throw it in for everyone, maybe they are tidying things up to try to make the lists a little more distinct.

Found the details on 4th ed (in post above).
And yes, available to Bards through Magical Secrets at 14 and 18, as Maxperson notes (and th eD&D One playtest Bard at level 15, with Further Magical Secrets).

 

[Maxperson]

Please stop making this personal.

I’m pointing to the fact that in oublished material it is never used.

Again unless you believe that this is this incredibly popular spell that no one ever talks about, is never used in published material and virtually never appears anywhere then, well that’s a take I suppose.

Published material isn't the right place to be looking, though. It would be very poor design for WotC to create a high level adventure that spans planes without building in a method to get there other than the spell. They have to write those adventures so that a party that consists of a fighter, a paladin, a barbarian and a rogue can finish it.

You have to look at homebrew examples to see if the spell is used and how often.

Again I’m very willing to bet that it’s nearly unheard of at most tables.

I agree with you here based my anecdotal experience. Like I said in the other response to you, I've seen it used less than 10 times over the course of the last 39 years. And my groups(DM'd and ones I play in) routinely reach levels where they could cast it.

 

[Maxperson]

Did a quick check. Planeshift is NOT on the list for 3.5 druids

It wasn't on their 1e and 2e lists, either. Did they have it in 4th?

 

[mellored]

It wasn't on their 1e and 2e lists, either. Did they have it in 4th?

Anyone with ritual caster could get it in 4th.
Don't recall if druids got that by default or not.

 

[Shadowedeyes]

Interesting. So 5e is the odd one out on Druid's getting Plane Shift then?

 

[Chaosmancer]

Does it hurt anything or unbalance anything to put it back on the Druid's Spell list?

Absolutely not, but also, I don't think it hurts or unbalances anything to take it off either.