Picard Season 3

[Stalker0]

Was that the first time in cinema history that a plot character walked up to a guard, demanded to be let in, the guard says you can't come in.....and the plot character just walked away?

didn't try to beat up the guard, or talk your way through, or sneak around them, or XYZ. Nope just left.

It was weirdly refreshing to see that.

 

[bloodtide]

That's exactly what they stole. Because why bother with unstoppable portals that can kill thousands of people instantly when you can wield the power of nostalgia?

Yea, but ONE photon torpedo can kill thousands of people. Star Trek weapons can blow up suns....that is a whole solar system of people.

The "bad guys" are possessed by the bug aliens (from season one Conspiracy) and the plot is to hatch the moon egg and let out he space dragon to eat Earth.

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24-25 century humans seem to live to be 100 plus, that might set the bio clocks back a couple years.

 

[Haplo781]

Was that the first time in cinema history that a plot character walked up to a guard, demanded to be let in, the guard says you can't come in.....and the plot character just walked away?

didn't try to beat up the guard, or talk your way through, or sneak around them, or XYZ. Nope just left.

It was weirdly refreshing to see that.

Then like 5 minutes later he headbutts the security officer outside 7's room.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

TNG and DS9 Worf = Drizzt

It's only my opinion, but I think the Emo-character as an outsider to society is way too old and stale. It's not that this trope shouldn't exist, but at this point, I would prefer something a little new. My least favorite shows of all the Star Trek series are the ones that explore Worf's problems with being a half-breed. I'm tired of predicting the dramatic beats. Give me a Worf who is confident in himself, and I'm much more likely to enjoy the show. Emo Worf can't carry a show let alone a series.

No.

TNG Worf this all applied to.

DS9 Worf is exactly the confident, witty Worf you're asking for. And Picard features DS9 Worf, who is definitely not "emo" (or not by the end of the show anyway).

So that's a bizarre and obviously-wrong criticism. It's like you didn't watch DS9. Or this episode of Picard. Mr Camomile tea and headchopping jokes is "emo"? Wth lol?

 

[trappedslider]

On Wednesdays we behead.

Much more fun than wearing pink.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Feels like we should put a spoiler tag in the header just to keep the discussion flowing, but I'll stick with spoiler tags for now.

Spoiler

So one of the interesting side notes about the Picard and Beverly thing that has nothing to do with the show, but its fun to think about the universe of Star Trek. Beverly was about 51 during the event of Star Trek Insurrection, so rough time line would have had Jack when she was....53-55ish probably. Considering how old Picard was as well, that's a heck of a Geriatric pregnancy!

It actually speaks to the question of whether menopause is even a thing at that point in time, or do human women use procedures to maintain fertility?

I mention the birthcontrol aspect before, and I still say that seems strange that birthcontrol is still so fallible that Beverely just "got" pregnant, again especially at her age. Hehe, perhaps they thought it wasn't possible so they didn't bother with it. I still imagine that at this point, considering the ease at which they do other surgery, that men would basically have vasectomies as a matter of course, and you simply wouldn't "turn on the facet" until your ready for a kid, especially someone like Picard who never had any desire to start a family at that point....he definitely wouldn't want any slipups. Ultimately its a weak plot point but its not "insane", and we can mostly forgive and move on.

I mean, your criticisms don't make a lot of sense here.

Firstly, we don't know that anyone did use protection. They may well just not have, because it's trivial to detect and fix whilst the embryo is just a few cells. Or she intentionally didn't. So there's no real criticism there. If they'd said something about using protection and it failing then that discussion would make sense.

Secondly, people in Picard's era routinely live to 120+ years old. In TNG, when McCoy appeared, he looked to be in his 90s, and he was 137 years old, and still footling around under his own power!

Also buddy, I know you're a dude and probably don't know a lot about pregnancy, but people have become pregnant in their 50s even IRL - the oldest natural (non-IVF) pregancy was a woman who was 59. That may well be with HRT etc. but I'm sure Bev would be getting anything she needed to keep rollin' there. If people are living to 120+ routinely, it may well be more like 60-80 is the normal cut-off.

The real question is actually why does Picard look so old when he's "only" 96.

 

[Ryujin]

The real question is actually why does Picard look so old when he's "only" 96.

Low batteries.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Low batteries.

I mean I guess maybe they miscalibrated the aging algorithm.

 

[Stalker0]

I mean, your criticisms don't make a lot of sense here.

Firstly, we don't know that anyone did use protection. They may well just not have, because it's trivial to detect and fix whilst the embryo is just a few cells. Or she intentionally didn't. So there's no real criticism there. If they'd said something about using protection and it failing then that discussion would make sense.

Secondly, people in Picard's era routinely live to 120+ years old. In TNG, when McCoy appeared, he looked to be in his 90s, and he was 137 years old, and still footling around under his own power!

Also buddy, I know you're a dude and probably don't know a lot about pregnancy, but people have become pregnant in their 50s even IRL - the oldest natural (non-IVF) pregancy was a woman who was 59. That may well be with HRT etc. but I'm sure Bev would be getting anything she needed to keep rollin' there. If people are living to 120+ routinely, it may well be more like 60-80 is the normal cut-off.

The real question is actually why does Picard look so old when he's "only" 96.

Spoiler

This wasn’t really a complaint about the show, these kind of details are just not covered (and really don’t need to be covered) in Star Trek, it’s just fun speculating about what things might look like that far in the future. Trying to actually imagine what it would be like to live in such times.

Menopause is not a factor of maximum longevity or even overall health. Women have a set number of eggs, and when they run out they run out. Now it’s possible in the future women have a procedure to great increase this number to off set menopause, or something like that. We could argue genetic adjustment as an option but we know that has been frowned upon at this. Or it’s possible that Beverly got extremely lucky (or unlucky from a point of view) that she got pregnant at such an age without intervention.

The note that they might not birth control at all is an interesting one, it would suggest that abortion has become the cultural norm this far in the future, which is certainly possible if hard to imagine based on our present, at least from an American perspective.

 

[Mort]

Spoiler

This wasn’t really a complaint about the show, these kind of details are just not covered (and really don’t need to be covered) in Star Trek, it’s just fun speculating about what things might look like that far in the future. Trying to actually imagine what it would be like to live in such times.

Menopause is not a factor of maximum longevity or even overall health. Women have a set number of eggs, and when they run out they run out. Now it’s possible in the future women have a procedure to great increase this number to off set menopause, or something like that. We could argue genetic adjustment as an option but we know that has been frowned upon at this. Or it’s possible that Beverly got extremely lucky (or unlucky from a point of view) that she got pregnant at such an age without intervention.

The note that they might not birth control at all is an interesting one, it would suggest that abortion has become the cultural norm this far in the future, which is certainly possible if hard to imagine based on our present, at least from an American perspective.

We should probably put spoilers allowed in the thread title at this point? But anyway:

Spoiler

Star Trek DS9 actually addressed (human) birth control in an episode. Standard procedure is for BOTH the males and females to get a monthly injection. But if one of them doesn't the possibility of pregnancy exists.