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[Ryujin]

Is it British? Long lasting British show gets 2 seasons, epic one gets 3.

Hard Sun - Wikipedia

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[Zardnaar]

Hard Sun - Wikipedia

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Well it's been canceled. Of a British show doesn't get canceled there's always hope.

Red Dwarf went ten years between seasons.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Andor like TNG is really good if you ignore the boring bits. It was very slow paced.

No. Absolutely not. Many of the "boring bits" are extremely good writing that are why the "exciting bits" work. This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of drama on your part. I dread to think what you think of shows like The Sopranos.

People were leery of them in the initial episodes of Andor because the trashiness of shows like Boba Fett had taught them that sometimes shows go absolutely nowhere, and none of the build-up matters.

See all the good British shows that get 2-3 seasons of 6 episodes a season.

Uh-huh. But by your definition, most of those shows literally only have "boring bits" lol.

Is it British? Long lasting British show gets 2 seasons, epic one gets 3.

That's still mostly true but some do get more. Usually the shows that run and run in the UK are absolute trash though, it's very odd.

 

[Zardnaar]

No. Absolutely not. Many of the "boring bits" are extremely good writing that are why the "exciting bits" work. This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of drama on your part. I dread to think what you think of shows like The Sopranos.

People were leery of them in the initial episodes of Andor because the trashiness of shows like Boba Fett had taught them that sometimes shows go absolutely nowhere, and none of the build-up matters.

Uh-huh. But by your definition, most of those shows literally only have "boring bits" lol.

That's still mostly true but some do get more. Usually the shows that run and run in the UK are absolute trash though, it's very odd.

I think if you live outside the UK you generally only se the good stuff or learn about the good stuff online.

I like the Sopranos it never bored me in the same way Andor did (Andor wasn't that bad). Sopranos had a great cast top to bottom TNG not so much at least early on. Different genre as well.

TNG absolutely terrible two seasons, probably half of what's left is meh really. Take away the borg and Q episodes and the famous good ones there's a lot of meh there you don't get in DS9 for example.

No shows are perfect but the crud to great ratio matters. Star Trek doesn’t compare well with itself let alone other shows.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think if you live outside the UK you generally only se the good stuff or learn about the good stuff online.

I like the Sopranos it never bored me in the same way Andor did (Andor wasn't that bad). Sopranos had a great cast top to bottom TNG not so much at least early on. Different genre as well.

TNG absolutely terrible two seasons, probably half of what's left is meh really. Take away the borg and Q episodes and the famous good ones there's a lot of meh there you don't get in DS9 for example.

No shows are perfect but the crud to great ratio matters. Star Trek doesn’t compare well with itself let alone other shows.

TNG is a different problem entirely.

TNG's problem is three-fold

1) S1/2 had The Great Bird of the Galaxy heavily influencing both their writing, and which writers were hired/used, which was a problem.

2) TNG had the same problem as a lot of older anime - too many episodes needed per season, not enough writers, not enough time/money. So many episodes were the exact opposite of British TV/Andor. Instead of them having to fit stuff in, in order to tell a story, they were just filler written because they needed an episode rather than because they had a particularly strong idea.

3) TNG is almost purely episodic, so comparing it to arc-based shows is a bit pointless.

DS9 benefited from two things:

A) They started using arcs - which made things much more compelling. And even where they didn't use arcs, it being set in one single, specific location meant much more of the same characters/factions/etc. appearing.

B) The writers had got a lot better than they were in TNG, and Gene Roddenberry, god bless 'im, was long gone, so couldn't interfere.

It is remarkable how much better DS9 "holds up" than near-contemporary TNG or VOY.

Btw Andor is literally "British TV", to be clear - British showrunner, shot in Britain, mostly British cast, mostly British writers, pacing and tone very British (Europe is not dissimilar, but the US is), etc. just using Disney money - and a lot of British shows use US money.

 

[Zardnaar]

TNG is a different problem entirely.

TNG's problem is three-fold

1) S1/2 had The Great Bird of the Galaxy heavily influencing both their writing, and which writers were hired/used, which was a problem.

2) TNG had the same problem as a lot of older anime - too many episodes needed per season, not enough writers, not enough time/money. So many episodes were the exact opposite of British TV/Andor. Instead of them having to fit stuff in, in order to tell a story, they were just filler written because they needed an episode rather than because they had a particularly strong idea.

3) TNG is almost purely episodic, so comparing it to arc-based shows is a bit pointless.

DS9 benefited from two things:

A) They started using arcs - which made things much more compelling. And even where they didn't use arcs, it being set in one single, specific location meant much more of the same characters/factions/etc. appearing.

B) The writers had got a lot better than they were in TNG, and Gene Roddenberry, god bless 'im, was long gone, so couldn't interfere.

It is remarkable how much better DS9 "holds up" than near-contemporary TNG or VOY.

Btw Andor is literally "British TV", to be clear - British showrunner, shot in Britain, mostly British cast, mostly British writers, pacing and tone very British (Europe is not dissimilar, but the US is), etc. just using Disney money - and a lot of British shows use US money.

I think steaming also makes a difference. TNG being the "the best" was probably due to old memories and hardcores with DVDs

But streaming has brought in more eyes and people who watched back in the day can do side by side comparison. I've noticed DS9 is getting more positive buzz now.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think steaming also makes a difference. TNG being the "the best" was probably due to old memories and hardcores with DVDs

But streaming has brought in more eyes and people who watched back in the day can do side by side comparison. I've noticed DS9 is getting more positive buzz now.

It does, yeah, and DS9 being available is a big part of why it's star has risen so much. A lot of people missed it at the time, or watched it as kids and didn't quite get it, but it holds up really well. Whereas TNG has some great stuff but also a lot of questionable stuff.

 

[MarkB]

I think steaming also makes a difference. TNG being the "the best" was probably due to old memories and hardcores with DVDs

But streaming has brought in more eyes and people who watched back in the day can do side by side comparison. I've noticed DS9 is getting more positive buzz now.

TNG was very good in its time, but it is by far the most "of its time" Star Trek show. Even the original 60s show, dated as it is, has aged better.

I don't think there could have been a show that featured regular breaks for conferences during crisis situations, a ship's counsellor as a bridge officer, and a civilian population on a front-line exploration vessel at any time other than the late 80s / early 90s.

 

[Ryujin]

TNG was very good in its time, but it is by far the most "of its time" Star Trek show. Even the original 60s show, dated as it is, has aged better.

I don't think there could have been a show that featured regular breaks for conferences during crisis situations, a ship's counsellor as a bridge officer, and a civilian population on a front-line exploration vessel at any time other than the late 80s / early 90s.

Yes, just like with the ship, TNG had most of the hard edges on the crew rounded out. DS9 kept some edge and a bit of Frontier Spirit (tm).

 

[Ruin Explorer]

TNG was very good in its time, but it is by far the most "of its time" Star Trek show. Even the original 60s show, dated as it is, has aged better.

I don't think that's really true, myself. TOS has aged much worse, it just happens to be more aligned with a certain trashy kind of action-drama that's still popular.

I don't think there could have been a show that featured regular breaks for conferences during crisis situations, a ship's counsellor as a bridge officer, and a civilian population on a front-line exploration vessel at any time other than the late 80s / early 90s.

Ironically that's all more realistic, given human history, than the more action-y and militarized portrayals we usually see now.

The idea that people don't have meetings in crisis situations is obviously laughable nonsense, as a cold matter of hard fact they do, out of obvious necessity, and because in the real world, just like in a lot of TNG situations, you typically do have a bit of time to respond to things, and you want to respond right. But it's more dramatic if everyone runs around the ship like headless chickens, shrieking, as per Discovery and countless other non-Trek shows. So we go with drama instead of something that makes sense but is less dramatic. And civilian populations have always accompanied explorers, indeed, they are the main explorers, throughout history.

The problem is with the insistence on faux-militarizing and military fetishization of everything (the one great thing about Roddenberry was that he objected to this), combining with the need to make every super-dramatic all the time lest someone glance at their phone or something. Just look at Andor getting called "boring" for actually having characterization, themes/ideas and plot. You think TNG screwed up there? Thinking that is how you get the worst aspects of Discovery.

The place TNG screwed up was in having a lot of episodes with fundamentally dumb conceits, which is a very different problem.