D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[Zardnaar]

If it was just being released to qualify for awards, they didn't need a large theatrical release, and they certainly wouldn't have done it in the spring.

It was done because of the changing priorities of streamers, but it also goes to my original point that we don't know about the back-end between Paramount and Hasbro.

The amount of confidence that people are speaking about, and the absolute terms (is there really nothing between a "flop" and a "hit") is staggering and wildly misinformed.

They're changing the rules and they do need a theatrical release to qualify. They need to release in more theaters iirc.

Air was a streaming movie with a limited theatrical release to qualify for said awards.

D&D is a typical movie with widespread release being released to streaming later.

 

[bedir than]

Air was a streaming movie with a limited theatrical release to qualify for said awards.

It's in 3500 theaters

 

[Eyes of Nine]

Also,

It's in 3500 theaters

Is that how many theatres it was released in on it's first weekend?

Ie, I thought that some movies are given limited (2-5-10 artsy theatres in big cities) release in December just to qualify for Academy Awards

Is that what happened with Air? (also, why are we talking about Air?)

 

[Jaeger]

I think one aspect of all of this is that I don't think anyone thought the Mario movie would be such a monster hit.

Several people did amongst the youtube movie pundit channels.

But they weren't "Industry guys", so naturally their opinions "don't count"...

So if we are back into the original question of the thread: Is the Dnd movie a hit or a flop? We go to the box office, and right now the box office vs its budget, its clearly not doing well, and is probably a "flop" based on box office standards. And that's really it I'm afraid, we can talk around and around until the cows come home, or can wait to see the trickle from the remaining weeks to see if anything miraculous happens....but otherwise this conversation has been settled at this point.

^This^

It's ok to really like a movie that Flopped. I really liked 2012 DREDD. It bombed hard. These things happen.

Was D&D an obvious Bomb like Shazam 2? No.

Will it break even during it's theatrical run? It'll need a miracle...

So it's a Flop.

But is there hope for more? Mayyybeee...

D&D is a Flop the same way that the 2013 Pacific Rim film flopped: The people that went to see it liked it, there just wasn't enough of them.

Pacific Rim was enough of a "fan favorite" that it did well enough on the back end with DVD's and rentals that they got a sequel greenlit on a reduced budget, and an animated series. (That the sequel Utterly Bombed is neither here nor there...)

A lot of what might happen with the property will depend on how much of an actual loss it takes during its theatrical run, and then what it does on the backend.

I think that a lot of the Flims issues are that it just cost too much money. By all accounts it was entertaining, and the writer/directors basically delivered.

I believe that things might have been different if they kept the same writer/directors, but limited them to 80-90 mil budget. Also, not releasing it a week after John Wick and before Mario...

 

[bedir than]

Also,

Is that how many theatres it was released in on it's first weekend?

Ie, I thought that some movies are given limited (2-5-10 artsy theatres in big cities) release in December just to qualify for Academy Awards

Is that what happened with Air? (also, why are we talking about Air?)

Yes, Air did so well at preview screenings that Amazon shifted it from a "let's just qualify for awards" to "let's make a lot of money" release. It's in 3500 theaters.

@Snarf Zagyg is right on what Amazon did with this one and it does relate to Honor Among Thieves, as the streaming side of things will pick up a lot of new viewers for D&D. Paramount+ will pay Paramount & eOne to have it in homes. Considering the very high reviews, that will likely bode well for Paramount+

 

[bedir than]

Will it break even during it's theatrical run? It'll need a miracle...

Deadline today suggests that it will break even.

 

[Jaeger]

Deadline today suggests that it will break even.

The "Industry" outlets also suggested that it "exceeded expectations"...

When the actual numbers a week later told a different tale.

The "Industry" has no special knowledge.

I can wait a few weeks to see the final results.

 

[Zardnaar]

Several people did amongst the youtube movie pundit channels.

But they weren't "Industry guys", so naturally their opinions "don't count"...



^This^

It's ok to really like a movie that Flopped. I really liked 2012 DREDD. It bombed hard. These things happen.

Was D&D an obvious Bomb like Shazam 2? No.

Will it break even during it's theatrical run? It'll need a miracle...

So it's a Flop.

But is there hope for more? Mayyybeee...

D&D is a Flop the same way that the 2013 Pacific Rim film flopped: The people that went to see it liked it, there just wasn't enough of them.

Pacific Rim was enough of a "fan favorite" that it did well enough on the back end with DVD's and rentals that they got a sequel greenlit on a reduced budget, and an animated series. (That the sequel Utterly Bombed is neither here nor there...)

A lot of what might happen with the property will depend on how much of an actual loss it takes during its theatrical run, and then what it does on the backend.

I think that a lot of the Flims issues are that it just cost too much money. By all accounts it was entertaining, and the writer/directors basically delivered.

I believe that things might have been different if they kept the same writer/directors, but limited them to 80-90 mil budget. Also, not releasing it a week after John Wick and before Mario...

I think the scale of Mario's succes surprised everyone. It was tracking well before release but it blew past those numbers.

It's doing Star Wars and MCU levels of money and cost 50 million less than D&D.

Mario's not my type of movie I don't plan on seeing it even on streaming but damn that's an impressive Gaul. Not only did it do monster numbers week 1 it had a very respectable week two drop off.

It's over performing by a lot. Can't really claim anything otherwise. I think it's going to challenge a lot of assumptions on what's required to make bank.

I don't expect D&D to do Mario levels of money but if it had double the box office I wouldn't be calling it a flop at the box office.

 

[Jaeger]

I think the scale of Mario's succes surprised everyone. It was tracking well before release but it blew past those numbers.

It's doing Star Wars and MCU levels of money and cost 50 million less than D&D.
...
It's over performing by a lot. Can't really claim anything otherwise. I think it's going to challenge a lot of assumptions on what's required to make bank.

Mario does seem to be blowing by the expectations of those I follow that said it would do a billion.

It's a mega hit, and it hasn't even opened in Korea or Japan yet...

It should challenge assumptions. You compare it to an peer film like Lightyear that lost around 100m at the box office, and it should cause a big rethink industry wide.

But cynical me says it won't.

I don't expect D&D to do Mario levels of money but if it had double the box office I wouldn't be calling it a flop at the box office.

If D&D did double, it would be a different story. It just cost too much, and had a bad release date. If it cost 60mil less, and didn't have the release date pushed out so far... Who knows?

 

[mamba]

This link has a bunch of examples:

I think I have seen 5 movies on that list of 17, so 'can't imagine life without them' is a bit of a stretch. Even out of those 5 I only would watch three again

And how cost of 6M with a box office of 24M (Booksmart) makes the list of box office flops is somewhat unclear to me, is there a typo somewhere ?