D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[Zardnaar]

Why do you insist on rejecting renewal rate?

Why do you think 80+ million people get Paramount+ or Showtime for free?

Nope but there's many shows and movies on it. They'll gave first click metrics which they use to estimate who is paying to watch specific shows.

No one gas any numbers for that and Paramount is bleeding money there in any event. They're no projected to make money for 5 years and their CEO has just done something crappy as well.

So now D&D is tied to two crappy corporations vs 1.

 

[M_Natas]

TV buys them from people who make them.

Paramount made the Movie so there's no real money coming in from them. One division coukd pay another I suppose but Paramount paying Paramount hmmn.

There's first click metric and VoD. Even in Covid times VoD only got a small % cinema releases were hauling in. It's only gonna help out if the numbers were unclear/close.

There's no back end deal here for streaming rights. Paramount nay have paid Hasbro but no ones paying them to stream the movie.

They need to produce content for their VoD anyway. So they would have paid 100 Millionen for their Streaming Service for another production or for this.
And for Paramount+ ... what they have now, also with their D&D series, is, that they are the only place to have good D&D Movie/Film content (if you ignore Critical Role on Amazon).
It is a selling point.
Paramount+ has at the moment only one franchise, that I would pay for to see, that's Star Trek. Now they get a second franchise, D&D. And when the D&D series comes out, I will probably get Paramount+.
For the movie alone not so much, but I will get that on Bluray to get all the Behind the Scene stuff of the movie.
Having the D&D IP on paramount+ is good for Paramount.
Bad for everybody else who just want one service where all content is, but good for Paramount.
Will it pay off?
Maybe.
If they get 10 million subscribers who just get Paramount+ for their D&D content, that's 1 200 million $ per year. If they soend 600 million on D&D content, that's a big win.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Hey, look at that its available for $19,95 VOD, and so is Renfield! Guess which one I'll pick

What is Renfield?

 

[mamba]

There's a metric to measure tgat. It's called first clicks. Basically new members sign up and they track the first thing they watch.

not sure you can say this is the only reason regardless. If I were only interested in one movie, I’d buy or rent that instead of subscribing to a service.

That still would mean that they would need 10% of new members to watch HAT first, which feels like a stretch, no idea if they publish these numbers but would be interesting to see

 

[Mistwell]

not if you factor in marketing cost, which you definitely should…

Yes I did and you still overshot the target by $100M.

yeah, but at this time that will get it from 202M to 205M or so, the numbers now are too small to change the trajectory

Naw it's still newer in some international outlets.

do you have any actual data for this? to me that sounds pretty unlikely

I've discussed this pretty extensively in this very thread. We will not get hard data on streaming - the WGA strike and likely upcoming DGA is in part over that very issue. All we can know is indications from the studio itself. If they behave like this is a flop then the streaming numbers are lower than expected. If they behave like it was a hit then the streaming numbers are within or exceeding expectations. Every indication we've had so far is the movie exceeded expectations.

That is imperfect data. But welcome to the post-pandemic of movie analysis. There is no longer good data because streaming information is kept secret, even from shareholders. All we know, with absolute certainty, is the studios do consider streaming to be a very meaningful portion of profits for a movie now, where pre-pandemic they didn't and lumped it in with rentals and dvd/bluray sales.

And really all that ever meant anything about the "hit or flop" designation was what the studio thought. What WE thought never changed anything. If the studio is happy with the result, that's all "hit" really ever meant.

 

[Mistwell]

I can see them saying it made money for Paramount+, but that does not mean the movie itself is in the black. With not even making half of that at the box office, Paramount+ would have had to pay an outsized amount for those rights.

They own those rights so it's not pay anything further.

The movie needs about $100M more than it made in box office to clear marketing costs, roughly. Marketing costs are a much more nebulous figure than amateurs like us pretend though. We use a formula but that's not really how it works it's just itself a rough guess. It's an aggregate number spread across every aspect of a studio for all their movies. Regardless, they just need to think it makes their streaming service about $100M to put the movie firmly in the black.

So chances are it will be one or the other. Either P+ overpaid for the streaming rights and does not break even on it, or the movie is still in the red.

Paramount is the producer. Again, this is all discussed in detail upthread.

 

[R_J_K75]

What is Renfield?

New movie about Dracula with Nicolas Cage

 

[bedir than]

New movie about Dracula with Nicolas Cage

A movie about which there's no doubt of hit or flop. It's at 24 million globally, after being out just over three weeks. It cost 65 million to make.

 

[Jer]

A movie about which there's no doubt of hit or flop. It's at 24 million globally, after being out just over three weeks. It cost 65 million to make.

Since it's a Nick Cage movie, Renfield will make it's money back once it comes out on streaming and every single bad movie podcaster on the internet watches it for their podcast. Easily tripling it's box office take

 

[UngeheuerLich]

New movie about Dracula with Nicolas Cage

This will be surely a hit.. I wonder how many facial expressions we will see...