D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[Henadic Theologian]

I never said a sequel was impossible but unlikely.

Paramont+ may not even be around in few years. Not long ago that article revealed they're losing money and projections are 5 years to profit.

Another pro movie poster also claimed screen rant was a rag btw and not worth it.

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People have been predicting P+'s demise since it first came out, actually since its cbs predsessor came out, and its only driving bait was star trek, yet all these years its still here.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

No one's debating its not popular online.

That doesn't directly translate to money at least in quantities you're implying.

Just means those who have already paid for Paramount + presumably are watching it. They essentially gave it away for free to subscribers of Paramount+.

It's a recurring problem with streaming. They've essentially trained their audience to stay at home and watch their movies for free and they're losing money.

It's a widespread industry problem it's not generating the money the old system did. Also see current strikes.

Paramount+ has advertizing on its lower tier, so it still makes money on every viewing of DADHAT by the lower tier subscribers.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

P+ also has the Champions League, NWSL, Yellowjackets, CSI, I love that for you, Billions, Shameless and much, much more.

Ignoring the CBS and Showtime properties that are generating signups, per investors, is why some people are insisting that Paramount+ will never turn a profit, despite, pre-strike the target was a 2024 profitability

Their FAST channel is the best and their larger losses were in linear TV.

Both US and Canada have major elections in 2024 year, so both linear and Paramount+ should have a major boost to revenue, I would't surpised if they still met their target of profitabliy by 2024.

 

[mamba]

Paramount+ has advertizing on its lower tier, so it still makes money on every viewing of DADHAT by the lower tier subscribers.

I am not sure how making money by someone watching a movie works, if they pay a flat monthly fee. I assume the accounting involves a bit of guessing / variability there

If someone paid that fee and watched nothing at all, you make at least as much money from that person than if he watched 4 hours every day. Chances are you make (slightly) more, the less they watch.

You just need something that keeps them paying, whether that is a series they watch, or the hope that next month there will be three movies they would want to see.

So advertising for a movie is just the latter, they let you know they have new movies, so even if this one is not for you, there will be one soon that is.

 

[Ferrousbones]

I have been following this discussion, and I think there is a little more useful data for extrapolating now:

Production cost ~ $150 million
Marketing ~ $60 million
So total cost ~$210 million

Box office gross ~ $208 million
Split about 50% for estimation, ~ $104 million

Current Amazon rental price ~ $6
No data on any other rental prices anywhere, so I will use Amazon's current price

$210 million minus $104 million equals $106 million
$106 million divided by $6 equals ~ 17,666,667 streaming sessions

As I recall, it was in theaters for about 3-4 weeks, then to streaming, and opened in theaters April 2nd, so about 2 1/2 - 2 3/4 months (~75 - 82 days)

17,666,667 divided by 82 equals ~215,000 streaming sessions per day, to break even, if each session cost that much

 

[zedturtle]

People have been predicting P+'s demise since it first came out, actually since its cbs predsessor came out, and its only driving bait was star trek, yet all these years its still here.

When I was in the high earners club, I supported CBS-whatever for years because I wanted new Trek. And then I got Discovery, which was (to be charitable) uneven, but that led to Strange New Worlds, which is the best Trek since Season 3-4 of The Next Generation. So, in the end, I won. (and so did we.)

 

[mamba]

Production cost ~ $150 million
Marketing ~ $60 million
So total cost ~$210 million

marketing is Paramount’s share, we do not know how much Hasbro paid for it

Box office gross ~ $208 million
Split about 50% for estimation, ~ $104 million

Current Amazon rental price ~ $6

$210 million minus $104 million equals $106 million
$106 million divided by $6 equals ~ 17,666,667 streaming sessions

much like the box office, you would need to allocate 50% here / double the number of views

 

[Ferrousbones]

Yeah, I was being generous to HAT's earnings.

Since we don't know for sure that the breakdown is ~50% here (at least I don't recall any comments on the value beyond speculation), I figured I would lean more toward the minimum number of streaming sessions needed to break even.

That way, we would have some numbers to compare against if we can find the actual number of sessions.

 

[Ferrousbones]

Another consideration:

The Mario movie set a record for streaming with ~ $75 million. (it is probably higher now)

Since HAT would need to earn more than 1 1/3 times that to break even, thus setting a new record, if it had, I don't think Paramount or Hasbro would be remaining quiet about it.

 

[bedir than]

$14.99, really? I can rent it for $5.99 on Amazon right now (and buy it for $9.99), and depending on the country it can be be a lot less than that.

So, thousands at $2 or so for Paramount a day, sure, I grant you that, heck, make it $3 if you want to. At 10k a day and 60 days, that is what? Not even 2M... if you are in the hole for 100M, then that is not really making a lot of difference.

My bad. I didn't realize the pricing was already cut so deeply.

Also, I reiterate, Paramount isn't 100 million in the hole.