D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[bedir than]

150 million is reasonable for a Hollywood movie.

For a D&D movie not sure. Needing to hit close to 400 million was always going to be a hail Mary.

That wasn't the greenlit budget. That was the budget after pandemic forced issues.

 

[Zardnaar]

That wasn't the greenlit budget. That was the budget after pandemic forced issues.

Perhaps true but I think people are using the pandemic as a crutch.

We're still getting billion dollar movies fir example but it's select ones thar connect with audiences.

This year's gonnaa be bad for studios, might be OK for the theatres.

Disney's gonna have a terrible year.

 

[bedir than]

Perhaps true but I think people are using the pandemic as a crutch.

I'm sorry, what

There's no crutch. There's a reality that every single movie cost dramatically more due to three+ years of a disease that killed millions

 

[Hussar]

Heh. How many movies filmed in New Zealand in the past three years compared to the previous twenty?

 

[Zardnaar]

Heh. How many movies filmed in New Zealand in the past three years compared to the previous twenty?

No idea.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm sorry, what

There's no crutch. There's a reality that every single movie cost dramatically more due to three+ years of a disease that killed millions

Pandemic explains increased costs but they're still blaming it for movies underperformed.

2019 was not a typical year. Post pandemic you can still gave big hit movies but I think you need something special to lure in the punters.

D&D seemed to be marketed like GotG but it was after superhero fatigue had set in. GotG seems to be the only GotG type movie that works they've become very formulaic.

 

[Hussar]

No idea.

The point being, you had a bunch of very cheap to produce movies made in New Zealand which gave theater companies all sorts of tax breaks and whatnot to attract business. Pandemic time, country is locked tight, no movies get made there, all those production companies had to go elsewhere or film in the States which is MUCH more expensive, thus jacking up the price to make the movies.

On the flip side, theater was absolutely killed during the pandemic, and still hasn't recovered. Comparing box office takes pre and post pandemic without considering the impact of the pandemic is just wildly innaccurate. It also ignores the rise of streaming in the past four or five years, where streaming has gone from something that maybe people had one or two services in their house to today where it's ubiquitous to the point where people stream on their phones.

How much money was Paramount + making in 2019? Or Disney+ for that matter? 2019 you had what, Amazon Prime, Netflix and Hulu? Did I miss anyone? Now, you've got dozens of big name company streams.

You keep harping on about box office this and that and how the movie is a flop because it didn't smash box office records while at the same time utterly rejecting the fact that the movie industry in 2023 looks virtually nothing like it did five years ago.

 

[Zardnaar]

The point being, you had a bunch of very cheap to produce movies made in New Zealand which gave theater companies all sorts of tax breaks and whatnot to attract business. Pandemic time, country is locked tight, no movies get made there, all those production companies had to go elsewhere or film in the States which is MUCH more expensive, thus jacking up the price to make the movies.

On the flip side, theater was absolutely killed during the pandemic, and still hasn't recovered. Comparing box office takes pre and post pandemic without considering the impact of the pandemic is just wildly innaccurate. It also ignores the rise of streaming in the past four or five years, where streaming has gone from something that maybe people had one or two services in their house to today where it's ubiquitous to the point where people stream on their phones.

How much money was Paramount + making in 2019? Or Disney+ for that matter? 2019 you had what, Amazon Prime, Netflix and Hulu? Did I miss anyone? Now, you've got dozens of big name company streams.

You keep harping on about box office this and that and how the movie is a flop because it didn't smash box office records while at the same time utterly rejecting the fact that the movie industry in 2023 looks virtually nothing like it did five years ago.

People are over estimating the money from streaming. They're all losing money as well except Netflix.

The box office doesn't lie studios do. I've never claimed streaming etc is irrelevant but for most movies it's not gonna matter as much as theatrical release.

I've also never claimed there won't be a sequel just unlikely. People have been strawmanning me on that.

A few posters got excited about Hollywood spin early on ignoring context. Eg HAT exceeded expectations but those expectations were just projections based on pre sales.

The articles reporting that didn't point out the box office total was still low for a movie of HATs budget.

HAT performed bog standard pattern for a movie it's fate was decided opening weekend and confirmed by its 3rd.

 

[bedir than]

Pandemic explains increased costs but they're still blaming it for movies underperformed.

No one with Paramount, eOne or Honor Among Thieves has suggested this is why the movie didn't take in as much revenue.
Some of us here have commented about movie glut due to the pandemic, but that's still not "blaming the pandemic"

 

[bedir than]

People are over estimating the money from streaming. They're all losing money as well except Netflix.

You keep, routinely and regularly, conflating a streamer or production company "losing money on streaming" with a movie losing money on streaming.
This is not the same thing. Claiming that these are the same is as valid as saying that since there has been more box office revenue in all theaters this year when compared to 2019 in total that all movies have been profitable.
It's not rational.