D&D (2024) GenCon 2023 - D&D Rules Revision panel

[FitzTheRuke]

It's weird, as a federal technician working within the military, our evaluation system is a 1-5. 3 is "you're doing your job, no complaints" this is the standard "grade". If you rate a 5 then leadership wants documentation and proof you've been an outstanding worker. A good supervisor or flight chief will definitely go to bat for you if they feel you deserve the 5. On top of that getting 5s is the only way you can be considered for incentives.

That's how it SHOULD work.

 

[Reynard]

WotC is probably banking more on fresh art and hundreds of new Monster stat blocks to sell than PC options...and if the books remain compatible, they keep people playing and eventually someone who refuses to buy a new PHB in 2024 might in 2026 becaothets are.

I am actually really interested in how much the "new edition" sells via Beyond compared to previous stuff. Like, will people a la cart their character class and associated material more than previously? I feel like a $150 core set is going to be a tough sell to GenZ. By most accounts I have heard from folks that actually play with GenZ, they love playing in person but almost none of them own physical books.

 

[mamba]

I trust that ultimately WOTC would like to succeed

agreed

and getting accurate feedback about how their products appeal to their customers is a key way to do that.

it is, but their track record for this is pretty poor

As such, I expect that as a serious company, WOTC is going to use professionals to generate and accumulate their user data

I go with ‘the past is present’ and my own experience, and that means it still is very poor

Keep in mind that they are not simply asking ‘how do you like this’, that would be trivial. They are trying to figure out ‘what do you like better and why? how do you want it to change so it is ‘good’? These are much harder to glean

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Completely agree here. While there maybe parts of the survey structure I don't like, at the end of the day I am not a data scientist or a survey professional.

I trust that ultimately WOTC would like to succeed, and getting accurate feedback about how their products appeal to their customers is a key way to do that. As such, I expect that as a serious company, WOTC is going to use professionals to generate and accumulate their user data. Unless a survey expert wants to come on these forums and breakdown why the survey structure is objectively bad, I'm just going to assume the professional company that has a monetary stake in getting it right is going to know more about the topic than a few forum goers filling out a survey.

Yeah, I mean, I ultimately assume that they must know something that I don't know, but I don't really believe it on any deeper level. I've certainly seen too much about how the sausage is made when it comes to (most) companies to believe that anyone really knows what they're doing.

 

[Parmandur]

I am actually really interested in how much the "new edition" sells via Beyond compared to previous stuff. Like, will people a la cart their character class and associated material more than previously? I feel like a $150 core set is going to be a tough sell to GenZ. By most accounts I have heard from folks that actually play with GenZ, they love playing in person but almost none of them own physical books.

$180 at MSRP, actually, but probavly under $90 for most customers who buy from Amazon, B&N, or Target. My pwrsonal experience is that only DMs ever buy any books, ever.

 

[Parmandur]

Yeah, I mean, I ultimately assume that they must know something that I don't know, but I don't really believe it on any deeper level. I've certainly seen too much about how the sausage is made when it comes to (most) companies to believe that anyone really knows what they're doing.

Certainly they are not infallible: that's how they came to the point where they had to hire as statistician service through Hasbro after 4E fell apart at the seams.

 

[Shardstone]

I think it all goes back to - one man’s trash is another mans treasure.

Then there’s also the notion that quantity has a quality all of its own.

And also that everything has trade offs.

I dont see any of those as mutually exclusive with innovating an trying new ways to approach old problems.

 

[Shardstone]

There's only so much energy people have to spend on yelling at a corporation. I imagine most people with strong opinions and energy end up working on projects or looking into other games.

I work on projects and discuss it on forums. I havent yelled at any corporation.

Why is it Enworlders always try and paint people with a random brush to try and dismiss discussion? I am never going to stop posting ways I think DND can be innovated. Save your energy and focus on my points, not your strawman of me.

 

[Incenjucar]

I work on projects and discuss it on forums. I havent yelled at any corporation.

Why is it Enworlders always try and paint people with a random brush to try and dismiss discussion? I am never going to stop posting ways I think DND can be innovated. Save your energy and focus on my points, not your strawman of me.

Consider why you think anything is about you to begin with.

This sub-forum is about the latest changes to a corporate product. The status quo is the corporate product. You can either try to change the corporate product through feedback - and trying to make thar feedback louder by convincing others - or you can make your own product, public or private.

 

[Shardstone]

Consider why you think anything is about you to begin with.

This sub-forum is about the latest changes to a corporate product. The status quo is the corporate product. You can either try to change the corporate product through feedback - and trying to make thar feedback louder by convincing others - or you can make your own product, public or private.

Wheres the third option, where you keep trying to kill the conversation?