D&D (2024) Memorize Spell is one of the most obnoxious abilities I've ever seen, despite being perfectly on-theme (Packet 7)

[Tales and Chronicles]

I'd make it that could cant re-swap the new spell you added AND the one who got swapped until you complete a long rest.

 

[Zubatcarteira]

Remember when they tried to let Sorcerers swap out a spell every long rest in an UA, and what went to print was changing a cantrip or metamagic every ASI level?

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Remember when they tried to let Sorcerers swap out a spell every long rest in an UA, and what went to print was changing a cantrip or metamagic every ASI level?

Yeah that was considered an outrage against man, god and nature.

I daresay this will easily get 70% approval because frickin' most of the people voting are probably primarily Wizard players and/or unable to fathom the balance issues this creates, and Wizards are of course god's favourite creation, so why shouldn't they be overpowered next to everyone else.

1. You need that spell that you need in your spellbook.
Sure, it can be lot's of spells, but it's never ALL the spells.

2. That spell still costs a spell slot, it's not unlimited.

3. This is just a hotfix for; Well, I guess we will have to sleep here and we will solve this tomorrow.

None of that addresses the problem and all of it has been discussed.

You have access to every utility spell you have - that's going to be a huge swathe, most likely.

And your last point? Laughable and obviously nonsensical. No-one plays like that. Actual players come up with actual solutions and characters who aren't the Wizard get to shine, and be creative and use Skills and so on. No-one goes "Oh I guess only the Wizard could possibly solve this, let's just give up!". It's also impractical in 5E, which you seem to have forgotten, because your Long Rests need to be 16 hours apart. So you're fixing a problem that not only isn't real, but couldn't occur in 5E.

 

[Horwath]

You have access to every utility spell you have - that's going to be a huge swathe, most likely.

you get 8 level 1 spells in your spellbook and then 4 per spell level(2+2), I'm guessing that you would take the highest possible spells that you can for those 2 per level you get.

Other is completely up to DM,.
In one of our campaigns, wizard didn't get the chance to buy extra spells until 8th level.

And your last point? Laughable and obviously nonsensical. No-one plays like that. Actual players come up with actual solutions and characters who aren't the Wizard get to shine, and be creative and use Skills and so on. No-one goes "Oh I guess only the Wizard could possibly solve this, let's just give up!". It's also impractical in 5E, which you seem to have forgotten, because your Long Rests need to be 16 hours apart. So you're fixing a problem that not only isn't real, but couldn't occur in 5E.

OK, we will wait 24 hrs then.

If we can, it's better to be 100% sure than roll the dice.
If time allows OFC, or many times, players will say, we wait and to hell with that village and the orcs that are raiding it.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

OK, we will wait 24 hrs then.

If we can, it's better to be 100% sure than roll the dice.
If time allows OFC, or many times, players will say, we wait and to hell with that village and the orcs that are raiding it.

No. This is not a real thing. This is a made-up thing for the sake of argument. I've played 34 years of D&D dude, and watched countless videos and listened to podcasts of other people doing it, and read actual plays.

No-one plays like that. It's pure theorycrafting white room nonsense.

 

[Stalker0]

No. This is not a real thing. This is a made-up thing for the sake of argument. I've played 34 years of D&D dude, and watched countless videos and listened to podcasts of other people doing it, and read actual plays.

No-one plays like that. It's pure theorycrafting white room nonsense.

The majority of dnd tables do not create videos of their games and make podcasts and post actual plays, so you have been exposed to a limited sample of the player base.

To think that the limited sample of your experience gives you comprehensive knowledge of how ALL dnd tables play is hubris.

 

[MuhVerisimilitude]

Naturally we cannot allow this unless we also allow all martial classes to change subclass in 1 minute.

The majority of dnd tables do not create videos of their games and make podcasts and post actual plays, so you have been exposed to a limited sample of the player base.

To think that the limited sample of your experience gives you comprehensive knowledge of how ALL dnd tables play is hubris.

It is like they are saying: I have played football for 34 years and also watched some junior football and you reply with "junior football is not representative of real football", while completely disregarding the fact that they have played football for 34 years.

 

[Stalker0]

It is like they are saying: I have played football for 34 years and also watched some junior football and you reply with "junior football is not representative of real football", while completely disregarding the fact that they have played football for 34 years.

No its saying that you played football for 34 years and never played Arena football, and so you state confidently that no one in the world plays Arena Football.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The majority of dnd tables do not create videos of their games and make podcasts and post actual plays, so you have been exposed to a limited sample of the player base.

To think that the limited sample of your experience gives you comprehensive knowledge of how ALL dnd tables play is hubris.

Hahahahaha right back at you and at every single person who makes any claim to know anything how D&D is played.

You're just shooting yourself in the foot with this sort of utter shenanigans. I've got huge real-world experience, and what I'm seeing online backs up that, by and large, by real-world experiences lines up pretty well with how people under 40 play the game, for the most part.

No its saying that you played football for 34 years and never played Arena football, and so you state confidently that no one in the world plays Arena Football.

No, it's like saying "I've played and watched American football, so your claim that it's perfectly normal for teams to only try and score field goals and do literally nothing else but try to score field goals" is ludicrous gibberish.

That's the analogy here. A nonsensical and ridiculous claim is being made. If 1% of D&D groups just immediately give up on every problem and are willing to wait up to 24 hours until the Wizard has the right spell for it prepared, I would be astonished. But we both know that's nonsense.

Also arena football seems to be staggeringly unpopular to the point where it got discontinued so it's kind of funny to try and use that example lol.

Plus you seem to be bad faith arguing - you're arguing a position you don't actually believe, in which case, there's literally no point arguing with you, because you have no honest belief involved. You can call me names like "hubristic", and sure, whatever man, but either say "I believe loads of D&D groups just immediately give up and wait for Daddy Wizard to solve their problems!" or admit you don't believe that so we can move on.

Also lol:

 

[TwoSix]

This feels like a feature where its evaluation is very sensitive to table variation.

Wizards are the only caster class where their spell repertoire is primarily a function of the table's magic item and gold distribution. I know in several of the games I'm involved with as a player that scroll availability and overall gold availability is quite low, such that a wizard's 2 spells per level are really the bulk of the spells they'll have available.

In those kind of games, Memorize Spell is a useful utility but wizards don't have the Batman utility belt of spells in the spellbook to really leverage this ability to its fullest extent. Whereas in more treasure-rich games, a wizard might easily have 30+ spells in his spellbook already by level 5, and the wizard does become the one-stop non-combat solution shop.