D&D 5E The Fighter/Martial Problem (In Depth Ponderings)


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The demographics today.

For it to not be true, the majority of people who filled out the 5e 2013 survey would have to abandoned the game. Possible.
You still seem to be judging the past by the present. Again, who in 2013 should WotC have been courting with their surveys? I do not understand your complaint.
 


You still seem to be judging the past by the present. Again, who in 2013 should WotC have been courting with their surveys? I do not understand your complaint.
People who were going to buy 5e.

A lot of people who fill out surveys in 2013 already had their preferred RPG and a group for it. So nothing barring making a perfect RPG just for them was going to convert them.

A steakhouse shouldn't listen to vegans on how to make steak. They could ask them how to make their vegan dishes.
 


People who were going to buy 5e.

A lot of people who fill out surveys in 2013 already had their preferred RPG and a group for it. So nothing barring making a perfect RPG just for them was going to convert them.

A steakhouse shouldn't listen to vegans on how to make steak. They could ask them how to make their vegan dishes.
Who were those people? How do they identify them before there's a game they're going to buy? How, in fact, do they find out what those people like, or that there are enough of them for WotC to care about them?

How is this not really about what you want?
 


Who were those people? How do they identify them before there's a game they're going to buy? How, in fact, do they find out what those people like, or that there are enough of them for WotC to care about them?

How is this not really about what you want?
You correlate their survey answers together. Chance are the D&D fandom condenses is a certain number of groups.

Then you see who you can place and how easily.

Like people on these forums say "You can't please everyone. Play another game".

No idea what this means.
The 2014 version of Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer made it into the PHB despite being widely unpopular even at the start of D&D

How does it make it in the books without weighting one groups opinions well over the majority? Especially with a very popular class like ranger?
 

You correlate their survey answers together. Chance are the D&D fandom condenses is a certain number of groups.

Then you see who you can place and how easily.

Like people on these forums say "You can't please everyone. Play another game".


The 2014 version of Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer made it into the PHB despite being widely unpopular even at the start of D&D

How does it make it in the books without weighting one groups opinions well over the majority? Especially with a very popular class like ranger?
Perhaps the designers (gasp!) made their own decision there. It's rare, but it happens.

If only they'd done that with psionics...
 

5e Fans jury-rigged the Fighter problem away with optional rules, non-PHB content, and third party product. Which works until you get to high level. 5e is just (un)fortunate that most campaign break down before the game does. No one plays core rules with no official options

From experience and from some of the videos I posted earlier, you can see it works great at high levels too. It just is not as powerful as other available classes.
 

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