D&D (2024) Would you be fine with classes that you can't always play but are better than base classes?

[DarkCrisis]

That's why they stopped and didn't do it for the next thirty years, yeah?

Had to simply things for ease of use/the masses.

3rd Ed changed a whole lot.

 

[CapnZapp]

It worked just fine for like 20 years.

...and then you realized it was a poor design choice and never looked back?

 

[DarkCrisis]

...and then you realized it was a poor design choice and never looked back?

I still play AD&D shrug

 

[Vaalingrade]

Had to simply things for ease of use/the masses.

'the masses'.

Okay.

 

[DarkCrisis]

'the masses'.

Okay.

Am I wrong? Is it not good to simplify a product (as everyone agrees 5E is the easiest to play/learn edition) to appeal to more people? Isn’t that one of the reasons 5E is the best selling edition ever that attracted new and old players?

See it all the time in video game remakes etc. The new Tomb Raider remaster is going to have modern controls and camera control to better appeal to modern gamers.

 

[CapnZapp]

I still play AD&D shrug

Thank you for letting us know how much we should value your input.

 

[payn]

Am I wrong? Is it not good to simplify a product (as everyone agrees 5E is the easiest to play/learn edition) to appeal to more people? Isn’t that one of the reasons 5E is the best selling edition ever that attracted new and old players?

See it all the time in video game remakes etc. The new Tomb Raider remaster is going to have modern controls and camera control to better appeal to modern gamers.

I think you are wrong in assuming this is a simplification that would improve the game.

 

[Yaarel]

I still play AD&D shrug

Some friends of mine also play AD&D. They call it First Edition, but really its a mish-mash of 1e, 2e, and homebrew. The player facing Players Handbook is still 1e, tho.

1e has its charms, and is historically important. It is a great resource to borrow from and to inspire content for later editions. (But we all know the issues of potential flavors that can come across as sexist or racist, and which are best to leave behind in the dust of history.)

Much of the difference between 4e and 5e is, keeping the understanding of game balance from 4e but reinventing the 1e narrative immersion and adhoc DM adjudication.

 

[Corinnguard]

Is it not good to simplify a product

It depends. Some players like simplicity while others prefer a little more crunch or depth to what they are using in their TTRPGs.

 

[Yaarel]

It depends. Some players like simplicity while others prefer a little more crunch or depth to what they are using in their TTRPGs.

I like "elegant" (simpler options that are versatile and effective for various contexts) and customizable.

I shy away from both cookie-cutter and fiddly (complex worthless ribbons).