D&D (2024) So IS it a new edition?

[Yaarel]

We have reached a point where whether it is a new "edition" or not is purely semantic.

• 2024 is a new edition because the polishing of rough edges is substantial enough to warrant a new copyright
• 2024 isnt a new edition because the 2014 continues to function within 2024

So personal preference is in effect, depending on what one means by "edition".

In a way, WotC has returned to the normal meaning of the term "edition" within the book printing industry.


I myself will continue to refer to all of the content as "5e".

If necessary to distinguish, I will refer to the ©2014 printing or the ©2024 printing, of 5e.

 

[mamba]

Smaller than D&D for sure, but PF has a big enough crowd to make waves. Paizo has also said that PF2 has brought many more fans in for PF1 days even.

this is from Q3 2021, haven’t found anything newer, back then PF2 still had some catching up to do

Paizo definitely still attracts a much smaller crowd and due to its lack of dominance it also does not attract contrarians that just have to disagree with and complain about any decision. Some of this discussion around the 2024 rules can be attributed to that

 

[Kaiyanwang]

D&D 3.8

I wish.

 

[payn]

this is from Q3 2021, haven’t found anything newer, back then PF2 still had some catching up to do

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Paizo definitely still attracts a much smaller crowd and due to its lack of dominance it also does not attract contrarians that just have to disagree with and complain about any decision. Some of this discussion around the 2024 rules can be attributed to that

Nobody plays PF2 on roll20, I mean nobody.

 

[mamba]

Nobody plays PF2 on roll20, I mean nobody.

if you have a better source…

 

[Velderan]

they are calling it something, 5e, and they have done for quite some time


working title, yes, at no point was the end result not 5e however

The issue is that's not the way most fans refer to things. You can't release something new, call it the same thing, and then go on to explain all the wonderful different things in it without some fans wanting to call it something different so people know what you're referring to when you reference a book. You (general you) might not feel the need to call it anything other than 5e, but if that's the case, how do you tell someone which spells they can pick if one book says one thing and another says something else?

 

[Vaalingrade]

I wish.

Granted as of 2014.

You have two wishes left.

Might I suggest a turkey sandwich. And--aaaand that you don't get any zombie turkeys, that you don't turn into a turkey yourself or any of that other weird crap.

 

[payn]

if you have better source…

Paizo themselves on sales.

 

[Yaarel]

Follow up question. Was 3.5e a new edition?

I consider 3.0 and 3.5 to be different editions, because players did ultimately feel a need to "throw out the old books".

So far, the ability to "use the old books" prevents this nomenclature for a hypothetical 5.5.

 

[Velderan]

I think Paizo took advantage of the OGL fiasco for sure. I'm guessing this remaster was planned a few more years out. What I find interesting is that the editions wars have been very mild over Pathfinder. Dont get me wrong there are some strong opinions on it, but mostly fans seem to have either went away, stuck to PF1, or moved over happily. For example, this 5E update after a decade has way more folks losing their minds than PF2 being remastered in 5 years.

It definitely was planned, Erik Mona said so. The timing was what got pushed forward quite a bit, since they were already revising what was in the rules to strip out the OGL content. There 100% was going to be a remaster project at some point down the road.