Project Sigil All the Deets on Project Sigil the D&D 3D Virtual Tabletop

• Danger in Dunbarrow is the adventure designed to introduced the 3D tabletop.
• Bring in any character from D&D Beyond.
• 'Mini Maker' lets you design digital miniatures.
• Assets designed to feel like buying a high-end mini or figure somewhere between painted and realistic.
• Plug in locations like graveyard, mine, town each with a premade story you can use or ignore.
• "Modding games more than making them whole cloth."
• The Level Builder is like 'the best miniatures set that you could have'. Snap together different kit pieces.
• Secret doors, traps, lifts that go up and down.
• Also use 2D tokens with artwork you have.
• Also use 2D maps.
• You can play other games with it, not just D&D.
• Have Drizzt fight Optimus Prime.
• Share content with others.
• Starting on PC, other platforms later including mobile and console.
• Will be available to try out for free.
• Closed beta coming this fall for those with a DDB account.
• Pre-order 2024 physical and digital core rulebook bundle to get a free digital gold dragon mini to 'kickstarter your Project Sigil collection'.

 

[Belen]

For you folks who want physical minis, in what way are you not being served? What more do you need to be provided for your physical minis?

For us folks that play virtual, would it be ok, please, if we got a virtual environment with the same degree of options that physical minis have? Or, at least a tiny fraction of the options?

Would that be okay with you?

Who is denying you anything? Worrying about predatory monetization is not denial.

I do not want to see loot boxes or MTG style commons and rare card-like monetization.

I have been burned by it in the past and it feeds people prone to addiction.

If I get a bundle when I buy a book or I can purchase what I want, then fine.

I am not sure why you think anyone wants to take stuff from you.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Look at Steam. If Wizards (Hasbro) has ANY sense, they throw it open wide. Nobody will be outside of it, and Hasbro will finally have found how to monetize the D&D brand.

That won't happen if WotC insists everyone make product that lines up with their version of 5e though, and I see no reason they wouldn't do just that.

 

[Hussar]

It's not about jealousy or anything of the sort. What do you think the chances of you still "owning" these ten years down the line?

"New edition new mini dimensions, they will not carry over"

Or

"Sigil 2 is built on a new engine that is not compatible with the previous engine you'll have to re-purchase your collected miniatures"

Etc etc

I mean just look what they tried to do like, a week ago, in a digital marketplace they control. If they just sold you PDFs and PNG tokens you'd own them in perpetuity and they obviously don't want that.

Hasbro gonna Hasbro. If you go in knowing that then, sure, but please don't expect them to act in good faith in a space they entirely control. The only possible indicator of future behavior is past behavior, after all.

You seem to think I care.

Ten years down the line I will thank them for clearing out the 90% of crap I never use and shrug over the rest.

I’m buying an electronic product. I know absolutely that it is not forever.

I do not care.

So, if it isn’t too much trouble, can I please have the same level of options for my game that I would have for a physical game? Is that okay?

 

[Micah Sweet]

They didn’t do anything particularly big a week ago. Other than the character sheet nothing would have been affected.

The character sheet was and is very important to a lot of users. Your perspective is your perspective.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

The character sheet was and is very important to a lot of users. Your perspective is your perspective.

The character sheet is important, but it was not all your old spells going away like some were suggesting.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

So, if it isn’t too much trouble, can I please have the same level of options for my game that I would have for a physical game? Is that okay?

Are people posting on the board stopping that from happening?

And if they have that kind of power, could I direct you all to maybe tackle world hunger or something next?

 

[eyeheartawk]

They didn’t do anything particularly big a week ago. Other than the character sheet nothing would have been affected.

I'm sorry, what?

If there hadn't been massive pushback they would have let the status quo remain where everybody would have to spend god knows how long making all the spells, items etc homebrew one by one if they wanted to keep playing 2014.

This would have been a real pain and obviously their goal was to induce as much "friction", as my boy Carl von Clausewitz would say, as possible so you'd just bite the bullet and buy into 2024. Given that they turned around and said "Nevermind, you can pick between new and legacy content, lol, jk". They obviously could have just done that from the start.

They are not a good faith actor. And that's just the most recent example. There are many more to pick from.

 

[Hussar]

Who is denying you anything? Worrying about predatory monetization is not denial.

I do not want to see loot boxes or MTG style commons and rare card-like monetization.

I have been burned by it in the past and it feeds people prone to addiction.

If I get a bundle when I buy a book or I can purchase what I want, then fine.

I am not sure why you think anyone wants to take stuff from you.

You’ve just changed the topic. I was replying to the whole “we don’t own digital stuff” rant telling everyone that WotC sucks because they are putting stuff on a particular platform that is 100% optional to play DnD.

You’re talking about a completely different issue where you seem to think that because completely different companies did something in completely different games, that WotC will obviously do the same, despite having zero actual evidence to back up the predictions.

 

[Hermes_Alexandria]

At a guess the pricing will be:

Free to Play - Basic units to play other peoples games
D&D Beyond subscription - 5e integration with VTT and potentially 3rd party
Modules - New map and block types with an associated mini-adventure
Micro-transations - Unit dyes, flashy swords, spell animations, etc.

 

[Oofta]

Who is denying you anything? Worrying about predatory monetization is not denial.

I do not want to see loot boxes or MTG style commons and rare card-like monetization.

I have been burned by it in the past and it feeds people prone to addiction.

If I get a bundle when I buy a book or I can purchase what I want, then fine.

I am not sure why you think anyone wants to take stuff from you.

There will be no way to improve the power of your character. You may be able to get special minis, just like you can buy plastic mini packs for monsters right now. There are no "rare" cards because you can't sell your digital mini.

But even if you could, so what? The best you're getting is a little visual bling. You simply can't compare MtG where a card helps you win a game and a fancy avatar that has no mechanical impact on the game. It's apples and oranges.

The only concern I see is that they may provide something worth purchasing.