Project Sigil All the Deets on Project Sigil the D&D 3D Virtual Tabletop

• Danger in Dunbarrow is the adventure designed to introduced the 3D tabletop.
• Bring in any character from D&D Beyond.
• 'Mini Maker' lets you design digital miniatures.
• Assets designed to feel like buying a high-end mini or figure somewhere between painted and realistic.
• Plug in locations like graveyard, mine, town each with a premade story you can use or ignore.
• "Modding games more than making them whole cloth."
• The Level Builder is like 'the best miniatures set that you could have'. Snap together different kit pieces.
• Secret doors, traps, lifts that go up and down.
• Also use 2D tokens with artwork you have.
• Also use 2D maps.
• You can play other games with it, not just D&D.
• Have Drizzt fight Optimus Prime.
• Share content with others.
• Starting on PC, other platforms later including mobile and console.
• Will be available to try out for free.
• Closed beta coming this fall for those with a DDB account.
• Pre-order 2024 physical and digital core rulebook bundle to get a free digital gold dragon mini to 'kickstarter your Project Sigil collection'.

 

[Scribe]

You know, I'd be ok with D&D Beyond and Sigil being the Steam of TTRPGs.

I noticed that Free League is one of the partners. A 3D version of the Forbidden Lands hex-crawl setting would be amazing!

I am fully aware of OGLs, Pinkertons and other Hasbro WotC screwups.... but I'm cautiously optimistic.

As long as we dont have to have everyone bend the knee to Wizards view's on what is acceptable to print, sure.

 

[eyeheartawk]

For you folks who want physical minis, in what way are you not being served? What more do you need to be provided for your physical minis?

For us folks that play virtual, would it be ok, please, if we got a virtual environment with the same degree of options that physical minis have? Or, at least a tiny fraction of the options?

Would that be okay with you?

It's not about jealousy or anything of the sort. What do you think the chances of you still "owning" these ten years down the line?

"New edition new mini dimensions, they will not carry over"

Or

"Sigil 2 is built on a new engine that is not compatible with the previous engine you'll have to re-purchase your collected miniatures"

Etc etc

I mean just look what they tried to do like, a week ago, in a digital marketplace they control. If they just sold you PDFs and PNG tokens you'd own them in perpetuity and they obviously don't want that.

Hasbro gonna Hasbro. If you go in knowing that then, sure, but please don't expect them to act in good faith in a space they entirely control. The only possible indicator of future behavior is past behavior, after all.

 

[Micah Sweet]

As long as we dont have to have everyone bend the knee to Wizards view's on what is acceptable to print, sure.

Sure, except there's nothing actually stopping WotC from demanding exactly that. Like Morrus said, this can easily lead to the same effect WotC wanted from the OGL 2.0.

 

[Scribe]

Sure, except there's nothing actually stopping WotC from demanding exactly that. Like Morrus said, this can easily lead to the same effect WotC wanted from the OGL 2.0.

Depends on what Wizards wanted. Do you honestly think they gave a naughty word about any kind of morality or social issue?

Or, did they want a cut of everything people were doing that possibly, kind of, could be nebulously associated with D&D?

I know which of the 2 I would bet on.

 

[Burnside]

You know, I'd be ok with D&D Beyond and Sigil being the Steam of TTRPGs.

I'd be okay with that too, but the significant difference is that Steam is a store that sells video games, not a company that makes video games.

The problem with DNDBeyond being the TTRPG storefront is that they're inherently incentivized to favor their in-house products over 3rd party products, and it will likely make it harder for 3rd party companies to make money at all without having a presence on DNDBeyond and sharing revenue with WotC.

Which is what WotC wanted with the ham-fisted OGL situation in the first place. This is just a less blatantly offensive way of getting to the same place.

 

[eyeheartawk]

I'd be okay with that too, but the significant difference is that Steam is a store that sells video games, not a company that makes video games.

Well, that's an indictment of Valve if I've ever heard one. YOU HEAR THAT, GABE HALF LIFE 3 WHEN

 

[Micah Sweet]

Depends on what Wizards wanted. Do you honestly think they gave a naughty word about any kind of morality or social issue?

Or, did they want a cut of everything people were doing that possibly, kind of, could be nebulously associated with D&D?

I know which of the 2 I would bet on.

Yeah. It's option 2, and that leads to a walled garden trying to push out everyone on the wrong side of it.

 

[Scribe]

Yeah. It's option 2, and that leads to a walled garden trying to push out everyone on the wrong side of it.

Look at Steam. If Wizards (Hasbro) has ANY sense, they throw it open wide. Nobody will be outside of it, and Hasbro will finally have found how to monetize the D&D brand.

 

[eyeheartawk]

Yeah. It's option 2, and that leads to a walled garden trying to push out everyone on the wrong side of it.

It's the same reason why movie studios weren't allowed to own movie theaters for decades or why cable companies weren't allowed to own content creating entities.

That isn't the case anymore, and in both cases, it's safe to say it hasn't exactly been all roses.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

It's not about jealousy or anything of the sort. What do you think the chances of you still "owning" these ten years down the line?

"New edition new mini dimensions, they will not carry over"

Or

"Sigil 2 is built on a new engine that is not compatible with the previous engine you'll have to re-purchase your collected miniatures"

Etc etc

I mean just look what they tried to do like, a week ago, in a digital marketplace they control. If they just sold you PDFs and PNG tokens you'd own them in perpetuity and they obviously don't want that.

Hasbro gonna Hasbro. If you go in knowing that then, sure, but please don't expect them to act in good faith in a space they entirely control. The only possible indicator of future behavior is past behavior, after all.

They didn’t do anything particularly big a week ago. Other than the character sheet nothing would have been affected.