D&D (2024) I have the DMG. AMA!

[Greg K]

For WOTC to appoint Enworlders as D&D sheiffs! We could go around keeping the peace in the D&D world and banish those who would threaten the hobby.

can we start with the WOTC designers themselves?

 

[tetrasodium]

Well dang, ya know, sure seems like there’s more than a few DMs who still want that nuclear option though.

Crawford's impenetrable bunker is no better & it's even worse when it manifests in actual play .
At least there is value in there being weight worthy of concern when GM or another player being able to draw attention to how it seems like a particular course of action would be a serious violation of religious codes that $deity would frown on. There is not value in the GM or another player bringing that up only to have the paladin/cleric/warlock saying how it doesn't matter because the rules say it can't ever matter & there's nothing in need of discussing since Crawford has even gone on record supporting the idea of those classes working against their patron.

 

[TiQuinn]

Crawford's impenetrable bunker is no better & it's even worse when it manifests in actual play .
At least there is value in there being weight worthy of concern when GM or another player being able to draw attention to how it seems like a particular course of action would be a serious violation of religious codes that $deity would frown on. There is not value in the GM or another player bringing that up only to have the paladin/cleric/warlock saying how it doesn't matter because the rules say it can't ever matter & there's nothing in need of discussing since Crawford has even gone on record supporting the idea of those classes working against their patron.

Hellboy. Born a demon. Actively works against his nature to help mankind. Still keeps his demon powers.

 

[TiQuinn]

My deepest apologies to @FitzTheRuke to what I’ve done to his thread.

 

[tetrasodium]

Hellboy. Born a demon. Actively works against his nature to help mankind. Still keeps his demon powers.

Spoiler: Not even close

Hellboy debuted for real with the story ‘Seed of Destruction,’ in 1994. This story was a primary inspiration for the original 2004 movie HELLBOY. It introduced the comic’s main characters and told of Hellboy’s origin. He’s a demon summoned to Earth by the Russian psychic Rasputin as part of a Nazi doomsday plot that ultimately failed

The difference is that he is a demon rather than something empowered by one, not sure I've ever seen a table where a player could simply decide to walk up with a monster on their sheet without a "hey GM, can I play a monster?". That's quite different from being taking levels in warlock/paladin/cleric that involve being empowered by one.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Hellboy. Born a demon. Actively works against his nature to help mankind. Still keeps his demon powers.

Powers that come from being a demon, not because an outside entity granted them to him.

Class fantasy and setting logic again.

 

[Remathilis]

Powers that come from being a demon, not because an outside entity granted them to him.

Class fantasy and setting logic again.

Ghost Rider was a human who made a deal with Mephisto but turns his back on his Master and uses his power to fight evil, including his former master.

 

[TiQuinn]

Powers that come from being a demon, not because an outside entity granted them to him.

Class fantasy and setting logic again.

Selective fantasy again. There’s more than just the example of characters in fantasy who defy their all powerful superiors or fathers and use their abilities against them. Heck, Marvel and DC have plenty of examples.

Spoiler: Not even close

Hellboy debuted for real with the story ‘Seed of Destruction,’ in 1994. This story was a primary inspiration for the original 2004 movie HELLBOY. It introduced the comic’s main characters and told of Hellboy’s origin. He’s a demon summoned to Earth by the Russian psychic Rasputin as part of a Nazi doomsday plot that ultimately failed

The difference is that he is a demon rather than something empowered by one, not sure I've ever seen a table where a player could simply decide to walk up with a monster on their sheet without a "hey GM, can I play a monster?". That's quite different from being taking levels in warlock/paladin/cleric that involve being empowered by one.

Hellboy is basically a warlock. If someone rolled up to the table and said I wanna play D&D Hellboy, they’re rolling up a warlock most likely.

 

[tetrasodium]

Selective fantasy again. There’s more than just the example of characters in fantasy who defy their all powerful superiors or fathers and use their abilities against them. Heck, Marvel and DC have plenty of examples.

Maybe there is, but you picked an example where the fictional character is literally a demon summoned to earth rather than choosing one of those.

Hellboy is basically a warlock. If someone rolled up to the table and said I wanna play D&D Hellboy, they’re rolling up a warlock most likely.

No he is literally a demon summoned to earth. Hellboy has more in common with a pit fiend NPC/GMPC than a PC with warlock levels

 

[TiQuinn]

Maybe there is, but you picked an example where the fictional character is literally a demon summoned to earth rather than choosing one of those.

Okay. See below.

Ghost Rider was a human who made a deal with Mephisto but turns his back on his Master and uses his power to fight evil, including his former master.