D&D General The D&D Multiverse: Too Weird to Live, Too Rare to Die

[Hexmage-EN]

My take on that has been that the Feywild is really flippin' big and all connected. You could get from one setting to another through it but you're looking at a challenge akin to beating the Tarrasque with a toothpick'

That does make it like older versions of the Plane of Shadow, which also connected multiple settings.

I know it's not the intent, but as someone who primarily DM's Spelljammer I weasel around the "only one Feywild" statement by saying that the Feywild and Shadowfell are like the Material Plane in having different planets encased in Wildspace systems. Various 2E Wildspace systems like Faeriespace and Darkspace really seem like they could be Feywild and Shadowfell Wildspace systems, respectively.

 

[Chaltab]

Various 2E Wildspace systems like Faeriespace and Darkspace really seem like they could Feywild and Shadowfell Wildspace systems, respectively, with Faeriespace being made up of planets and suns that are the fruit of a colossal tree.

The fact that 5E Spelljammer did not include any of the interesting SJ-original wildspace systems like faeriespace
is something that will ever mystify and annoy me.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

The fact that 5E Spelljammer did not include any of the interesting SJ-original wildspace systems like faeriespace
is something that will ever mystify and annoy me.

You are not compelled to form any opinion about this matter before you, nor to disturb your peace of mind at all. Things in themselves have no power to extort a verdict from you.
Some dude.

Don't let it bother you. Nothing anyone writes or publishes or says changes what you do at your table. Use whatever lore you want! That's the best thing about this game- you can do whatever you want to make it your own, and no one is coming to slap the dice out of your hands.


@Micah Sweet
So... you know we are joking around, right? I am serious when I say that:
(1) I personally don't like MoTP, DSG, and WSG;
(2) I believe that MoTP (1e) was the beginning of the end of something I thought was awesome (what I call the Gygaxian multiverse) and that makes me a little sad; and
(3) I also think that people have found joy in those books, and I am always happy when people find joy. Except Derek. Derek only finds joy by raiding by liquor cabinet. Derek can suck it. But everyone else? Find your joy!

I've said this before, but I will say this again:

There are only two things I truly despise in the world- those who are intolerant of other people's choices in roleplaying games, and people who play bards.

 

[Chaltab]

Don't let it bother you. Nothing anyone writes or publishes or says changes what you do at your table. Use whatever lore you want! That's the best thing about this game- you can do whatever you want to make it your own, and no one is coming to slap the dice out of your hands.

i'm not annoyed for my sake, just for the players & DMs who will never know about the bonkers stuff in 2E Spelljammer

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

i'm not annoyed for my sake, just for the players & DMs who will never know about the bonkers stuff in 2E Spelljammer

Well, they can always get the .pdf if they want to.

It's been my experience that a lot of the stuff that we want to share with younger people isn't what they are looking for, and they have their own cool stuff... which, years from now, they will want to share and most likely will learn that most of the next generation isn't all that interested.

It's the circle of life, except instead of the killing and eating and birthing, it's just young people telling the olds they don't get it, until they are the olds and the new young people get to repeat the cycle.

 

[Chaltab]

I know it's not the intent, but as someone who primarily DM's Spelljammer I weasel around the "only one Feywild" statement by saying that the Feywild and Shadowfell are like the Material Plane in having different planets encased in Wildspace systems. Various 2E Wildspace systems like Faeriespace and Darkspace really seem like they could be Feywild and Shadowfell Wildspace systems, respectively.'plane

My take has it so they Feywild is one contiguous realm, but each Prime planet corresponds to a pocket of relative normalcy amidst a foggy sea of dream realms where nothing is logical.

 

[dave2008]

Sure, but I always prefer more specific modeling over re-skinning existing game elements.

Sure, that is fine for some. However, that is just not in the DIY spirit of the foundation of the game IMO. That aspect of the game I grew up with is an essential part of a TTRPG to me. I don't begrudge people who want rules for everything, but I prefer a different approach.

 

[Hexmage-EN]

Well, they can always get the .pdf if they want to.

It's been my experience that a lot of the stuff that we want to share with younger people isn't what they are looking for, and they have their own cool stuff... which, years from now, they will want to share and most likely will learn that most of the next generation isn't all that interested.

It's the circle of life, except instead of the killing and eating and birthing, it's just young people telling the olds they don't get it, until they are the olds and the new young people get to repeat the cycle.

If that's the case then why was Spelljammer 5E even made? I'm also not against older content, but I don’t think publishing new rules for a setting and then abdicating presenting the setting in favor of hoping that fans will look to pdfs of old books or fan wikis is a good strategy, especially when a lot of that content now comes with a disclaimer. For example, the hadozee kerfuffle for Spelljammer 5E was made even worse by people assuming 2E material about them cited on the Forgotten Realms wiki was still canon.

 

[Scribe]

It's the circle of life, except instead of the killing and eating and birthing, it's just young people telling the olds they don't get it, until they are the olds and the new young people get to repeat the cycle.

 

[mamba]

I take exception to this. I loved all those books, especially MotP. It had a logical, verisimilitudinous take on the planes as they were described in earlier material, and didn't push the supremacy of narrative tropes and a PC-centric view of the universe it was describing.

if you model it on our universe, sure, but then you have the same problems ‘we’ have with no one ever visiting a different plane(t) because it is too hard and deadly. You will have to make some concessions to make it worthwhile