D&D (2024) Kobold Press posts 2024 DMG Hit Piece

[mamba]

Does that all happen because people are largely judging WoTC on the quality of their products and nothing else?

most of that does not happen in the threads, some of it yes, but your list is way longer than what shows up in every thread

 

[Vaalingrade]

Also, basic internet mean-girling doesn't really compare to hiring mercenaries and threatening an entire industry.

Why aren't people as concerned about this 9 mil as they are about this howitzer?

 

[Morrus]

Also, basic internet mean-girling doesn't really compare to hiring mercenaries and threatening an entire industry.

Why aren't people as concerned about this 9 mil as they are about this howitzer?

People are clever and can think about more than one thing. Otherwise, why are you posting about this and not about climate change? Or why are climate change people posting about that and not about a war? Let's not start going down the road of telling people not to talk about things because there are other things, eh? Otherwise, why are any of us talking about D&D, when there are more important subjects?

 

[Vaalingrade]

I didn't say people couldn't comment or think about think about this, I was commenting on the whataboutism.

 

[Jahydin]

I think when companies listen to their customers, it's a good thing. So it would be great (since the thread is active, and people will keep reading the first comment) to have an update at the end with the current state of affairs.

I'm glad they issued the apology, but kind of wished they shared their reasoning for being nasty in the first place.

I'm just so confused how they could take WotC's hard work that was given to the community for free, then badmouth that same company as they resell their tweaked version of it.

Is really just anger from the OGL situation? A look into their headspace would go a long way into being able to forgive.

 

[Oofta]

Is that why every threat about WoTC has people reminding us that a WoTC manager called his personal contact at the Pinkertons that one time?

I've listened to the two podcasts by the guy that reported the Pinkertons. Even he stated it's been blown out of proportion in the second podcast. It was primarily an issue because they associated the modern company with the history of the company from a century ago. A WotC manager calling his personal contact? Don't believe everything you've read on Reddit.

And the OGL thing almost happened?

That they backed off of because of feedback.

And that WoTC fires people?

Like pretty much every other major company ever.

And that that one artist used AI to create concept art for their piece in the Giant's book?

Which they were unhappy with and no longer allow.

Oh, and they said that DnD wasn't monetized as much as they wanted in that one shareholder meeting. Does that all happen because people are largely judging WoTC on the quality of their products and nothing else?

Shocking! A corporate shill hyping their product!

I find it kind of strange that you have spent so much of this thread telling people they shouldn't judge Kobold Press for their corporate actions, yet I have never once seen you say the same thing about WoTC being judged for theirs.

Or ... it's just like every other major corporation. I don't trust them, they are far from saintly, but they're no worse than other companies.

 

[Chaosmancer]

most of that does not happen in the threads, some of it yes, but your list is way longer than what shows up in every thread

Sure, maybe not every single one shows up in every single thread, but at least two or three of them show up in every single thread. And again, no one really steps forward to say "Hey, we should judge WotC on their products, not their corporate actions" like Micah has repeatedly called for in this instance when people express the desire to not support Kobold press anymore.

I'm just pointing out the double standard

 

[Chaosmancer]

Also, basic internet mean-girling doesn't really compare to hiring mercenaries and threatening an entire industry.

Why aren't people as concerned about this 9 mil as they are about this howitzer?

Didn't it come out that those mercenaries were hired by a single dude, without any input from the company? And the victim has repeatedly said he doesn't think it is a big deal?

Sure, these things might be "worse" than what Kobold Press "did" but that doesn't exactly mean that people can't decide not to purchase Kobold Press products over Kobold Press's actions, now does it?

 

[Chaosmancer]

Or ... it's just like every other major corporation. I don't trust them, they are far from saintly, but they're no worse than other companies.

I agree.

So why is it not okay according to Micah who I was quoting, to not buy Kobold Press products because of the perception of Kobold Press's actions as a corporation. But it is okay and perfectly acceptable to constantly bring out every single misstep WoTC has made for the last five years and declare that you will never buy their products again because of it?

I'm just pointing out the double standard of "well, we should judge Kobold Press by the quality of their products" while holding WoTC to "LOOK WHAT THEY DID! THAT'S BAD! THEY ARE A BAD COMPANY!"

 

[mamba]

And again, no one really steps forward to say "Hey, we should judge WotC on their products, not their corporate actions"

people frequently defend those actions, maybe they do not say 'focus on the product' too...

like Micah has repeatedly called for in this instance when people express the desire to not support Kobold press anymore.

eh, much criticism is directed at the product itself. That some people do not like something about WotC is ok, they do not slam the product because it is from WotC, they slam WotC in a thread discussing a WotC product