D&D General “‘Scantily Clad and Well Proportioned’: Sexism and Gender Stereotyping in the Gaming Worlds of TSR and Dungeons & Dragons.”

[tetrasodium]

Not who you were directing it to, but to me “White Knight” is typically a dismissive and reductive insult in modern parlance.

"Typically" or not the post he linked is the very reason I used the term. You not answering the that AnotherGuy posed about the term while tone policing the term itself kinda demonstrates the existence of an early and late stage limbo competition style bar being in place. Having multiple posts doing similar about the word choice rather than the point accompanying it in just the time between hitting post & setting up the coffee pot shows that it's a safe bet the line is probably worth questioning

 

[Steampunkette]

I like the Elf and Halfling takes but aren't you describing nearly the default Dwarf take here? Or maybe being British we're more Warhammer-influenced and the constantly-complaining, constantly-annoyed Dwarf is the stereotype more here.

Oh, I meant "Different from Humans" not "Different from other Settings", specifically.

But yeah. I love the idea of dwarves being -constantly- overstimulated by human environments and understimulated by the foods so they prefer the foods they're used to from home and oh crap I just accidentally made dwarves into autistic caricatures.

... damn it.

Well. Guess I need to try again on Dwarves. Though I still like the food-poisons thing!

2) Dwarves: Curious. Not just about the sky and trees and nature, or about craftsmanship on the surface, but about EVERYTHING. You don't live in a cave system for 300+ years without constantly investigating everything in your environment to find out what's tasty, what's murderous, and what's just neat to look at. Sure it means a lot of younger dwarves die in cave-ins or overdose on underdark mushrooms or fall into hidden ravines... But the ones that make it through their childhood tend to be incredibly knowledgeable and wise. And often have a variety of scars each with an important story to tell. "I lost the tip of this finger when a cave-scorpion snatched it off! And this one I lost to a woodworker's saw I was curious about. And I got this scar when I fell into a blind ravine and gashed myself fiercely on a stalagmite, below!"

I like the idea that dwarves will season their food with things which are poisonous to other species. Due to their innate resistance.

Right?! I think that's actually a really clever thing.

Also they'd be SUPER SCARED of feeding humans their food because what ISN'T poisonous? Salt? Humans can't have salt! It's a rock! They don't eat rocks like we do!

 

[TiQuinn]

"Typically" or not the post he linked is the very reason I used the term. You not answering the that AnotherGuy posed about the term while tone policing the term itself kinda demonstrates the existence of an early and late stage limbo competition style bar being in place. Having multiple posts doing similar about the word choice rather than the point accompanying it in just the time between hitting post & setting up the coffee pot shows that it's a safe bet the line is probably worth questioning

What are you suggesting I didn’t answer? I responded to AnotherGuy’s post directly.

I don’t understand your reference to a limbo competition.

Your final sentence is a run-on combined with metaphors that I’ve read multiple times and still can’t parse. What point are you trying to make?

 

[Vaalingrade]

Why bother? When people tell you that there is more tropes to half-elves than this one, you ignore that and just circle back to this one as if it was the only one.

So because you don't like my argument, it's okay to just make up things about me to my face?

 

[Steampunkette]

At what point does this white knighting result in a a complete ban on humanoid artwork by restricting too sexy too fat t& too everything else? At some point long before that it's worth questioning if the respective inclusivity review bars for male artwork and female artwork looks like early and late stage limbo competition positioning.

Chris Hemsworth Says He Isn't Taken Seriously as an Actor Because of His Muscles

Chris Hemsworth said that he's not taken as seriously as an actor because of the muscle-building he has to do for his role in Thor

people.com

https://www.justjared.com/2017/10/30/chris-hemsworth-doesnt-mind-being-exploited-with-shirtless-scenes/

Do we extend the filter criteria to extend across body type like twink daddy chub & others like leatherdaddies lumbersexual too? I know that I've seen all of those and more in 5e books... might be worth accepting that it's ok for folks questioning the ttrpg equipment of measuring skirt length when the male equivalent is not even under white knight consideration.

Mostly I find this to be an example of DARVO via a Slippery Slope fallacy.

You're suggesting that making changes automatically means doing lots of harm to various other groups and requires strict enforcement of standards that are, themselves, biased and potentially onerous as a way to deflect and deny the criticism that justly exists.

And that making any positive change means we must immediately go allllll the way to the extreme, as well. Again, to try and frame any attempt toward making things better as a greater evil than leaving things as they are.

It's a pointless and ultimately self-defeating handwringing meant to excuse the problems that exist by fantasizing about far greater problems that could possibly exist if any effort is made.

Please stop.

 

[tetrasodium]

What are you suggesting I didn’t answer? I responded to AnotherGuy’s post directly.

I don’t understand your reference to a limbo competition.

Your final sentence is a run-on combined with metaphors that I’ve read multiple times and still can’t parse. What point are you trying to make?

Now you are proving that this is just tone policing unless you don't know what a limbo competition is. Go back and read the rest of post 382 without stopping at the term being tone policed to find the metaphor.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I have to say that all this talk about nameless henchmen and “reward” NPCs seems pretty alien to me. NPCs rarely accompany the PCs on their super dangerous adventures, and if they do, they certainly have names, motivations and personalities. And sure, PCs might sometimes have intimate relations with some NPCs, but these are not some sort of “trophies” or “rewards,” they are just people, behaving as people do. And, yeah, in my current campaign the NPCs the PCs have had such relations have been predominantly female, as it is mostly the party’s rogue who engages in such activities, and she seems to be pretty strictly a lesbian.

 

[TiQuinn]

Now you are proving that this is just time policing unless you don't know what a limbo competition is. Go back and read the rest of post 382 without stopping at the term being tone policed to find the metaphor.

I’m not sure what you mean by “time policing”. I know what a limbo competition is but have no idea what that means in this context.

What I am doing is asking for clarity which I’m not getting from your posts.

 

[Steampunkette]

I have to say that all this talk about nameless henchmen and “reward” NPCs seems pretty alien to me. NPCs rarely accompany the PCs on their super dangerous adventures, and if they do, they certainly have names, motivations and personalities. And sure, PCs might sometimes have intimate relations with some NPCs, but these are not some sort of “trophies” or “rewards,” they are just people, behaving as people do. And, yeah, in my current campaign the NPCs the PCs have had such relations have been predominantly female, as it is mostly the party’s rogue who engages in such activities, and she seems to be pretty strictly a lesbian.

It really centers around the "Wife Reward" structure of certain tropes. "Slay the dragon and you get to marry the princess" or "Save my farm and marry my daughter" or "You rescued me! I'll do -anything- to repay you!" type material. Like how the Princess in Kingsman offered sexual favors to the main character in exchange for her rescue.

Far less common, today, than it was in the 70s or 80s... but there's a long history which lead to Bowsette singing "Your princess may be in another castle but I'm still here"

 

[Steampunkette]

I’m not sure what you mean by “time policing”. I know what a limbo competition is but have no idea what that means in this context.

What I am doing is asking for clarity which I’m not getting from your posts.

"Time Policing" is a mispelling of Tone Policing, which I -think- they're just using wrong. They seem to think it means being upset about phrasing rather than it being a form of oppressive speech meant to silence minorities who are "Too Aggressive" or "Too Emotional" to get support.

As far as the limbo bar thing: They're suggesting that we're setting the bar too tightly for anything to pass muster. It's the same thing as setting the bar too high to jump over, but using Limbo instead of High Jump for the metaphor.