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Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?
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Whizbang Dustyboots
Gnometown Hero
If you are/were a Neil Gaiman fan, the new Vulture article about the allegations against him are a very bad time.
I have a hard time imagining him coming back after this. Truly horrific stuff.
I have a hard time imagining him coming back after this. Truly horrific stuff.
When people who are rich for the sake of being rich turn out to be jerks, it's one thing. When people who are rich as a result of being creatively respectable turn out to be jerks, it hit's me a bit harder.
trappedslider
Legend
Never meet your heroes
Oh, it's that time again?
At a certain point, you can't blame Lucy, Charlie Brown. Remember- if you only know someone's work, or their public persona, you don't know the person.
I mean, in all fairness, you don't really know most of the people you actually do know, so there's that too.
At a certain point, you can't blame Lucy, Charlie Brown. Remember- if you only know someone's work, or their public persona, you don't know the person.
I mean, in all fairness, you don't really know most of the people you actually do know, so there's that too.
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He wasn't even my hero, I just want to be able to buy a darn fantasy book without thinking about a cascade of moral implications. The purpose of reading in the first place was to be an escape from that kind of stuff.
Ryujin
Legend
I avoid that by not really having heroes.
Gradine
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Unrelated, but somebody needs to invent a way to more easily share Twitter posts on social media and the like, as there is a lot of good information still left on the platform and it's entirely impossible to read a Twitter post without an account, which, why would you at this point?
I think the collective “we” need to learn how to process new information when it comes to light about our favorite authors or heroes, and Gaiman qualified as such for many. We can’t all “know our heroes.” That’s not how it works. Some of us are lucky enough to actually know them, and that’s usually because it falls under “My parents are my heroes” or some such. But from there, the ability to actually be in a close relationship with someone you come to regard as a hero plummets rapidly.
In Gaiman’s case, people loved his writing and characters. It’s a hard thing to learn that in many cases, he was possibly pulling those stories from a much, much darker part of his being, but that’s not on his fans. Some insiders apparently knew about him but again, not everyone is an insider. That’s not on the people who didn’t know.
This is Gaiman’s s#!%-show, one of his own making, but it’s one that people have to process and that takes time. It’s not helpful shouting out “I knew there was something up about that guy.” Good for you, but it apparently didn’t help any of his victims. That’s just a form of scorekeeping in one of the worst games of the world - a kind of online gambling where you’re just betting on human misery. There’s no winner there.
This just has to shake itself out. Some people will divest themselves of everything he’s done. Others will hold on to what his work meant to them, as has been done with so many artists who’ve been found to been accused or have done terrible things. But people will not stop being inspired by others and calling them heroes and that’s a good thing, not something to say “yeah but you never know what they’re REALLY like.” Things will change, as they always do, what matters is what they mean at the moment, and how you process that going forward.
In Gaiman’s case, people loved his writing and characters. It’s a hard thing to learn that in many cases, he was possibly pulling those stories from a much, much darker part of his being, but that’s not on his fans. Some insiders apparently knew about him but again, not everyone is an insider. That’s not on the people who didn’t know.
This is Gaiman’s s#!%-show, one of his own making, but it’s one that people have to process and that takes time. It’s not helpful shouting out “I knew there was something up about that guy.” Good for you, but it apparently didn’t help any of his victims. That’s just a form of scorekeeping in one of the worst games of the world - a kind of online gambling where you’re just betting on human misery. There’s no winner there.
This just has to shake itself out. Some people will divest themselves of everything he’s done. Others will hold on to what his work meant to them, as has been done with so many artists who’ve been found to been accused or have done terrible things. But people will not stop being inspired by others and calling them heroes and that’s a good thing, not something to say “yeah but you never know what they’re REALLY like.” Things will change, as they always do, what matters is what they mean at the moment, and how you process that going forward.
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