D&D General Drow & Orcs Removed from the Monster Manual

[SkidAce]

Demons are popular. Just have to look over at GW to see that.

Doesn't mean I have to use them in my games or buy books that feature them prominently. It was actually the reason I did not buy the 1E PHB & DMG until the got the revised Easley covers and why I will never purchase Descent into Avernus or Out of the Abyss.

I can respect this.

 

[Voadam]

Demons are popular. Just have to look over at GW to see that.

Doesn't mean I have to use them in my games or buy books that feature them prominently. It was actually the reason I did not buy the 1E PHB & DMG until the got they revised Easley covers and why I will never purchase Descent into Avernus or Out of the Abyss.

The efreeti bothers you?

B/X would have been perfect then for you, no demons or really demon adjacent things up until the end of the BECMI line with the Master set high level plane stuff and entropy demons.

 

[Stormonu]

The efreeti bothers you?

B/X would have been perfect then for you, no demons or really demon adjacent things up until the end of the BECMI line with the Master set high level plane stuff and entropy demons.

Yeah, I played a lot of B/X at the start. And it was not until may years afterward that I learned the picture on the DMG was an efreet. At first glance, it sure doesn't look like one and a lot of my compatriots would have classified it a demon unless otherwise specifically shown it was not.

 

[Parmandur]

What other chestnuts can we tackle in this thread, while we're at it? Death of the author? Transgender elves? Pronouns?

I, for one, feel it is a shame that Englush flattened the second person pronoun to cover both singular and plural.

Pour one out for the fallen "Thee/Thou", y'all.

Though seriously, this thread is a hilarious exercise in deducting what nonsense I cannot see.

Y'all heard the Good Word of the Ignore feature?

 

[Gradine]

I, for one, feel it is a shame that Englush flattened the second person pronoun to cover both singular and plural.

Pour one out for the fallen "Thee/Thou", y'all.

Though seriously, this thread is a hilarious exercise in deducting what nonsense I cannot see.

Y'all heard the Good Word of the Ignore feature?

It was the "bio truths" for me. I know where that kind of thinking leads

 

[Parmandur]

If WotC cared about my Christian beliefs, I would tell them to remove every reference to Demon, Devil, Yugoloth, etc as I find their inclusion appalling, especially such things as the Warlock Fiendish patron where you are "making a deal with the devil". And that is not a joke.

But they won't, and I'll just deal with it.

A more apt comparison would be if the Cult of Elemental Evil was given features taken out of Greco-Roman anti-Chrustian polemic and ate urbanized babies.

 

[Parmandur]

It was the "bio truths" for me. I know where that kind of thinking leads

I don't even know what you are referencing, but thst sounds like a red flag.

 

[FrozenNorth]

But many have become less flavourful by having their entries removed altogether. I don't like that my MM doesn't include dwarves, orcs, goliaths, humans, etc.

As I argued previously, similar to lizard folk, all playable species should have a few specific examples in the MM. And I would just keep the type as humanoid, while setting the alignment to "any."

No humans, dwarves, goliaths, gnomes or halflings in the 2014 MM. Was it a problem then? Why it a problem now?

 

[Gradine]

I don't even know what you are referencing, but thst sounds like a red flag.

You mean you missed the "both sides"-ing of gender-based Strength caps, somehow, still, in the year of someone's lord 2025? You must have incredible foresight. Or little patience.

...is there a correlation there?

 

[Hexmage-EN]

The latest (and last) promo video for the 2025 Monster Manual states that there will be statblocks for Menzoberranzan Drow in the upcoming Forgotten Realms book.