D&D 5E 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

[Micah Sweet]

Even if all these things were part of D&D's inspiration, it's also worth considering whether that is the case now? What is the current inspiration for D&D's fanbase? Has the popular sense of D&D's basis in genre fiction changed over time?

It is worth considering that, if your concern is making as much money off your product as possible. That's when popularity really matters IMO.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Whereas I see them as what the D&D fighter should generally be aiming for.

And having that supernatural source for your better than human martial coolness is awesome.

 

[Remathilis]

Whereas I see them as what the D&D fighter should generally be aiming for.

Maybe in mechanics (the Belmonts don't usually cast magic unless one of their mommas is a Belnades) but again, going back as far as Leon, they have a magical bloodline. They are Skywalkers, Potters, etc. They get the free destiny and power suite to go along with it.

And hey, I'm perfectly fine with giving every PC fighter a bloodline and destiny as part of the kit. I've been perfectly willing to make every PC fighter a chosen one hero/villain imbued with supernatural power. Make them all Percy Jackson. Let completely normal run of the mill warriors be NPCs. Every PC class should be special by default. Everyone wants to be Superman, not Jimmy Olsen. The amount of mundane options in 5e fills a thimble with room to spare. Get rid of that and you add so much more design space to work with.

 

[Aldarc]

It is worth considering that, if your concern is making as much money off your product as possible. That's when popularity really matters IMO.

If you want your fantasy adventure game to be a big tent game, then I think that it's important to design games for the market of today or tomorrow and not the market of the 1970s, especially if you are designing games for a publicly traded company.

 

[TwoSix]

Maybe in mechanics (the Belmonts don't usually cast magic unless one of their mommas is a Belnades) but again, going back as far as Leon, they have a magical bloodline. They are Skywalkers, Potters, etc. They get the free destiny and power suite to go along with it.

And hey, I'm perfectly fine with giving every PC fighter a bloodline and destiny as part of the kit. I've been perfectly willing to make every PC fighter a chosen one hero/villain imbued with supernatural power. Make them all Percy Jackson. Let completely normal run of the mill warriors be NPCs. Every PC class should be special by default. Everyone wants to be Superman, not Jimmy Olsen. The amount of mundane options in 5e fills a thimble with room to spare. Get rid of that and you add so much more design space to work with.

Works for me. And if a player wants to flavor their fighter as “local boy done good” and leave their specific origin a mystery or unstated, and that works for the setting, more power to them.

 

[Micah Sweet]

If you want your fantasy adventure game to be a big tent game, then I think that it's important to design games for the market of today or tomorrow and not the market of the 1970s, especially if you are designing games for a publicly traded company.

Fair enough, but the only real "big tent" RPG producer out there is WotC, and their ways are not my ways, nor are they the only way to run a successful publisher, so I will continue to see broad popularity as unnecessary unless maximizing profit is your top priority.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Works for me. And if a player wants to flavor their fighter as “local boy done good” and leave their specific origin a mystery or unstated, and that works for the setting, more power to them.

For me, if that origin never comes out, that doesn't really work. "I'm just that good" is simply never going to be enough to justify otherwise supernatural abilities (beyond the action movie threshhold).

 

[Emerikol]

Maybe in mechanics (the Belmonts don't usually cast magic unless one of their mommas is a Belnades) but again, going back as far as Leon, they have a magical bloodline. They are Skywalkers, Potters, etc. They get the free destiny and power suite to go along with it.

And hey, I'm perfectly fine with giving every PC fighter a bloodline and destiny as part of the kit. I've been perfectly willing to make every PC fighter a chosen one hero/villain imbued with supernatural power. Make them all Percy Jackson. Let completely normal run of the mill warriors be NPCs. Every PC class should be special by default. Everyone wants to be Superman, not Jimmy Olsen. The amount of mundane options in 5e fills a thimble with room to spare. Get rid of that and you add so much more design space to work with.

Then it would seem to me that we are only one class from making both sides happy class wise. Make a normal human fighter class for those like me that want it and make a magical bloodlines class for those that want supernatural fighters.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Then it would seem to me that we are only one class from making both sides happy class wise. Make a normal human fighter class for those like me that want it and make a magical bloodlines class for those that want supernatural fighters.

I've been advocating this for a while now.

 

[Zardnaar]

Then it would seem to me that we are only one class from making both sides happy class wise. Make a normal human fighter class for those like me that want it and make a magical bloodlines class for those that want supernatural fighters.

We already have supernatural fighters.

EK, Rune Knight, various 5.0 ones.

Most people haven't actually seen the new ones in action. I've seen level 12 ECOM3 has gone up to 20.

Thinks that's 2 here.

It is funny seeing people claim XYZ when XYZ isn't relevant any more.