Worlds of Design: Take a Bow

Modern archery is more complex than archery in the days of melee battles, with many kinds of bows and shooting aids, but still, in the end, it’s pretty straightforward.

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In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself.” - Confucius

My wife, a senior citizen as you might expect, recently took up archery as a hobby! This got me thinking about practical uses of archery and warfare and how it's often portrayed in media and tabletop role-playing games.

Archery Basics​

Most modern day archers use self bows (what most people think of when you say “bow”) rather than crossbows. There are compounds, recurves, “barebows”, and others, even a smattering of crossbows. There are aids that were never seen in pre-modern times. Highly-accurate (Olympics style) archery requires extended concentration for consistency, the kind of thing a cricket batsman needs to hit a century.

Archery in close-quarters or time-stressed combat requires long training, so that you can shoot quickly without thinking about it.

Don't think of what you have to do, don't consider how to carry it out! The shot will only go smoothly when it takes the archer himself by surprise.'' (from the book "Zen in the Art of Archery" by Eugen Herrigel).

The objective of modern archery training is to make it all automatic, but that takes years to achieve.

Historical Ancient and Medieval Times​

Movies strongly exaggerate the effect of archery on battles (especially where many wear armor) before the advent of Welsh/English longbowmen. That’s partly because movies by and large are about individuals, not about masses.

In battle, both the power and accuracy of the bow and the firing rate (per minute and overall) are important. Bows used in warfare for thousands of years had poor power and accuracy, and poor overall firing rate (because you quickly ran out of ammunition) even though the initial firing rate could be quite good.

Missile weapons are notoriously inaccurate in close melee (as in RPG adventures). I’m not a pistol user, but as far as I can gather it’s remarkably easy to miss when using a pistol in melee, even at close range. This likely applies to archery as well, especially considering that there may not be enough space for a bow to be used without interference. Further, arrows can ricochet unpredictably off armor.

Keep in mind, most archers in battles over the centuries were not using Welsh/English style longbows. Their bows were much less powerful and less accurate, except for the composite bows used by steppe dwellers (and Byzantines), and some heavy crossbows.

Why were bows displaced by much-less-accurate firearms? It was easier to train people in firearms, compared with training in longbows. Bows require strength built up from youth, while any ordinary soldier can use a firearm. Crossbowmen are easily trained, and fairly accurate though slow firing, yet were also displaced with firearms. In a pitched battle you can expect a missed shot at one person in a mass may hit someone else, helping compensate for less-than-accurate shooting. Perhaps most important, firearm ammunition was much easier to manufacture and to carry. The English made an industry out of producing (and transporting) arrows, rarely did anyone else, so arrows were always in short supply. Fire volume over time beat accuracy in pitched battles.

Sneaky Archers​

Insofar as FRPG class abilities naturally fall into spell-casting, hand to hand fighting, and stealth, RPGs are sooner or later going to end up with something like thieves/rogues as a separate class or as a set of abilities for fighters.

For me, stealth includes striking from a distance. You can certainly be stealthy and use a thrown weapon rather than a bow. Thrown axes or knives don’t make much noise until they hit. So how can thieves not be used ranged weapons, including bows? They don’t want to get into hand-to-hand fighting if they can help it, so they need no armor, which allows them to move quickly and flexibly. The bow is an ideal weapon. And what about the tradition of Robin Hood and William Tell (who used a crossbow)?

Different editions of Dungeons & Dragons have characterized "backstabbing" differently. AD&D never explicitly stated thieves couldn't use a bow to backstab, but the name alone led some to assume it involved a piercing attack from behind, thus the change in later editions to "sneak attack." I always allowed ranged weapons to sneak attack in my AD&D games, and in 3.5 and later editions, formalized this rule so that sneak attacks could be made within a certain range (30 feet).

On the other hand, combatants in pitched battles rarely wore full plate armor, often next to no armor. Whereas in a dungeon skirmish, heavy armor might be common after the initial experience levels. Historians to this day debate the efficacy of even the best self bows, the Welsh-English longbow and steppe composites, whether they could pierce top-class armor or not, whether it sometimes pierced poorly-made armor, effective range, etc. Modern tests are not definitive.

For a summary of this debate, see sandrhomanhistory “Why Everybody Disagrees on the Efficacy of the English Longbow – A Video Essay“ on YouTube:


YOUR TURN: How effective is archery in your game?
 

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Lewis Pulsipher

Lewis Pulsipher

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that is so not true.
I didn't say that it takes one minute to become olympic marksman or to field strip it blindfolded.

all you need to learn 1st time is how to put in magazine, safety, cocking handle to chamber a round, aim down the site and pull the trigger. and after how to release the magazine for a new one.

now, it's up to your talent how good that aim will be and how long will it take you to hit the target consistently at long range.
 

For a summary of this debate, see sandrhomanhistory “Why Everybody Disagrees on the Efficacy of the English Longbow – A Video Essay“ on YouTube:

I heartily recommend Tod Cutler's Lockdown Longbow and Arrows Vs Armour videos, and those videos that feature Joe Gibbs.

 

I didn't say that it takes one minute to become olympic marksman or to field strip it blindfolded.

all you need to learn 1st time is how to put in magazine, safety, cocking handle to chamber a round, aim down the site and pull the trigger. and after how to release the magazine for a new one.

now, it's up to your talent how good that aim will be and how long will it take you to hit the target consistently at long range.
It take a decent amount of practice to hit a stationary target at any significant distance with any ranged weapon. Add in doing so while in the middle of combat.

The minimum amount of time militaries spend training soldiers to use weapons is measured in weeks just for basic competency. Guns may be point and click at very short ranges if you're lucky but hitting anything smaller than the broad side of a barn at a distance takes practice.
 

It take a decent amount of practice to hit a stationary target at any significant distance with any ranged weapon. Add in doing so while in the middle of combat.

The minimum amount of time militaries spend training soldiers to use weapons is measured in weeks just for basic competency. Guns may be point and click at very short ranges if you're lucky but hitting anything smaller than the broad side of a barn at a distance takes practice.
agree with that, however, I do have a recurve bow(modern materials, but basically medieval in design), 1st time I used it at 25meters, I managed to hit it once out of 15 arrows and that was more probably due to luck than anything else. after few months it got way better.

but, in the military, when I 1st used 9mm pistol at 25m, i hit the target 10/10, not all bullseyes, but it's is insanely easier to to hit anything with a firearm than with a bow, at least for a novice. crossbow is also easy but there a lot more compensating for bolt drop than for bullet drop and range is low for a crossbow.
 

agree with that, however, I do have a recurve bow(modern materials, but basically medieval in design), 1st time I used it at 25meters, I managed to hit it once out of 15 arrows and that was more probably due to luck than anything else. after few months it got way better.

but, in the military, when I 1st used 9mm pistol at 25m, i hit the target 10/10, not all bullseyes, but it's is insanely easier to to hit anything with a firearm than with a bow, at least for a novice. crossbow is also easy but there a lot more compensating for bolt drop than for bullet drop and range is low for a crossbow.

It is true that it's easier to learn to use firearms than bows. It's one of the many reasons armies started using firearms. Also, despite what D&D says to use a traditional longbow it takes a significant amount of strength which also requires training. I guess I can't really compare firearms to bows because I grew up with both and I went from a "toy" bow to compound.

But just picking up a firearm and expecting to be able to effectively use it in a combat situation where an enemy is more than 10 feet away or so? I don't think that's realistic.
 

I think that starts getting into the territory of what Simple weapons proficiency represents. Is a weapon Simple because it is easy to become proficient with it? Or is is classified as Simple because most of the "common folk" in the setting are already proficient with its use?
 

I think that starts getting into the territory of what Simple weapons proficiency represents. Is a weapon Simple because it is easy to become proficient with it? Or is is classified as Simple because most of the "common folk" in the setting are already proficient with its use?
For me it's always that first one. Yes, that means that some weapons classed as simple are more powerful than others. That's life.
 

I didn't say that it takes one minute to become olympic marksman or to field strip it blindfolded.

all you need to learn 1st time is how to put in magazine, safety, cocking handle to chamber a round, aim down the site and pull the trigger. and after how to release the magazine for a new one.

now, it's up to your talent how good that aim will be and how long will it take you to hit the target consistently at long range.
That’s like saying all you have to do is teach someone to knock an arrow and draw it and you’ve trained someone to use a bow. It’s incredibly reductive and really not true.
 

That’s like saying all you have to do is teach someone to knock an arrow and draw it and you’ve trained someone to use a bow. It’s incredibly reductive and really not true.
take someone that never used either.

give them a target 25m away, 20 arrows or bullets, and see how many arrows hit the mark and how many bullets hit the mark.
 

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