Wheel of Time S3

[Parmandur]

Eugene travels to alternate realities via the dream.

The power of choice is a pretty important theme at the climax of the series.

The people behind the doors that take mat's memories but we never find out why.

They were hungry.

There is a final confrontation with them that was very satisfying, one of the sequences from the final 4 books entirely written by Jordan.

The whole story arc of Mat seemingly heading towards a great destiny of perhaps cleansing the SeanChean empire of evil that just fizzles into nothing.

There was never any attention to address the events of the 4th Ahe in the books.

 

[Parmandur]

That makes sense. I'm almost the exact opposite when it comes to stories in two different mediums. All I see is the resonant threads, and forget all the differences. Heck, I'm a huge Dark Tower book series fan, and can even enjoy the movie for what it is.

Objectively, I have no problem with this sort of thing in adaptations...I think with Wheel of time, there was juat sooooo much that got cut that it drives me a little bananas...particularly because I would love a long drawn out old school anime style format that really fleshed out all the little episodes (like the nearly 100 fictional restaurant reviews Jordan uses to achieve small scalde worldbuilding).

And just to be clear again. I'm absolutely loving Jordan's novels, it's just taking me a while to get through these middle books. Especially after the high that was 4-6. And I'm loving the show too. Season 2 was responsible for me giving the books another try after I gave up 10 years or so ago after the Eye of the World. Now I can't believe I waited so long to read them.

You are definitely in a hard part...I read all the published Wheel of Time books in a week when Path of Daggers was the last one, and waiting years for Winter's Heart and Crossroads of Twilight was somewhat painful. However, books 11-24 are as good or even better than 4-6.

I found focusing on the details during The Slog helps: the plot drags, but the prose still sparkles in small scale description and world building.

 

[nevin]

The power of choice is a pretty important theme at the climax of the series.

They were hungry.

There is a final confrontation with them that was very satisfying, one of the sequences from the final 4 books entirely written by Jordan.

There was never any attention to address the events of the 4th Ahe in the books.

No that confrontation explained nothing, took the story nowhere and left the entire thread in the air hanging like the others. Your flippant explanations were never explained in the books. Perhaps for you such simple make it up in your own mind and move along works, but there are dozens of unfinished stories all through the books

 

[Parmandur]

No that confrontation explained nothing, took the story nowhere and left the entire thread in the air hanging like the others. Your flippant explanations were never explained in the books. Perhaps for you such simple make it up in your own mind and move along works, but there are dozens of unfinished stories all through the books

There were stories that were set to continue, sure, not everything was wrapped up in a neat bow...but Jordan had been saying that for years. Those threads were all still part of the final picture, even if full explanations or fulfillment were not in frame.

Mu h of what seemed fairly pointless, especially, like the extended circus plotlije, did definitely payoff. And that was rather unexpected.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Objectively, I have no problem with this sort of thing in adaptations...I think with Wheel of time, there was juat sooooo much that got cut that it drives me a little bananas...particularly because I would love a long drawn out old school anime style format that really fleshed out all the little episodes (like the nearly 100 fictional restaurant reviews Jordan uses to achieve small scalde worldbuilding).

You are definitely in a hard part...I read all the published Wheel of Time books in a week when Path of Daggers was the last one, and waiting years for Winter's Heart and Crossroads of Twilight was somewhat painful. However, books 11-24 are as good or even better than 4-6.

I found focusing on the details during The Slog helps: the plot drags, but the prose still sparkles in small scale description and world building.

I'd still suggest you at least give Season 3 a try, as it's been pretty good so far, and there are lot of book parts showing up now. Not that it's 100% book accurate, but it's hitting the right points and everyone is finally off on their big arcs now (although Episode 1 does do a lot of lifting to get everything recalibrated). The upcoming episode on Thursday is Rhuidean, and all the reviewers are raving about how good it is.

 

[Parmandur]

I'd still suggest you at least give Season 3 a try, as it's been pretty good so far, and there are lot of book parts showing up now. Not that it's 100% book accurate, but it's hitting the right points and everyone is finally off on their big arcs now (although Episode 1 does do a lot of lifting to get everything recalibrated). The upcoming episode on Thursday is Rhuidean, and all the reviewers are having about how good it is.

Rhuidesn in Episode 4? That's wild. Might give the show another go, when it is fully bingable.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Rhuidesn in Episode 4? That's wild. Might give the show another go, when it is fully bingable.

Yep, we see Rand in the glass columns and Moiraine and Aviendha in the three rings in the preview, along with some quick glimpses of what Rand and Moiraine see there. and since the preview didn't seem to show anything else, the episode may just focused on them. Although I wouldn't be upset if we get some of Shohreh Aghdashloo's awesome Elaida continuing her politicking in the White Tower...

 

[TheSword]

No that confrontation explained nothing, took the story nowhere and left the entire thread in the air hanging like the others. Your flippant explanations were never explained in the books. Perhaps for you such simple make it up in your own mind and move along works, but there are dozens of unfinished stories all through the books

Spoiler: Inside the Tower of Genji

the Aelfinn and Eelfinn were in a different world and traded knowledge or the equivalent of wishes for the chance to feed on the experiences of humans. They call it the savor. It’s stronger for Taveren and for those with the one power. A bargain was struck and two red stone doorframe ter’angreals granted access to their domains which we find out are on the same world. The Tower of Genji is another entrance one that is accessed by drawing the ancient symbol used to start the child’s board game snakes and foxes. The creatures can confuse the senses and make it hard to navigate their chambers without a guide. Moiraine had been captured and fed upon for a long time as she entered without a bargain but she was given a very powerful sa’angreal for her troubles to help them feed more for longer. Lanfear also suffered the same process but died. Matt rescues Moiraine in a heist that goes wrong, with Jain Farstrider sacrificing himself to save them. Matt’s prophecy is explained as he gives up half the light of world to escape with Moiraine who ultimately helps resolve the impasse at the conference of Merillior that would have seen the alliance fall apart. The act also bolsters Rand in preparation for the last battle who has been carrying the guilt of Moiraine’s death since book 5).

What else do you think needs to be explained?

I’ve put in spoiler tags to not spoilers any future surprises.

 

[TheSword]

Rhuidesn in Episode 4? That's wild. Might give the show another go, when it is fully bingable.

I decided to watch through the earlier series and hopefully get the latest series in one run. Hate having to wait a week.

On a second run through I’m finding it far not enjoyable. The cool bits seem cooler, the annoyances less jarring.

Particularly good moments so far on the re-run

- The winternight battle and the arrival of the Trollocs was really cool. Including the way Moiraine channelled.

- The Tuatha‘a an are done really well. Both talking about the way of the leaf and asking if Perrin was happier since he picked up his axe - poignant considering how his wife died. To the bravery of them trying to delay the whitecloaks for Perrin and Egwene to get away.

- I’m liking the whitecloaks more. Valda really is a prick - and making Egwene channel to save Perrin or die, or watch Perrin die is actually quite clever (and cruel). Knowing Egwene’s character she was always going to channel.

- The section with Logain in episode 4 and the way the lore around linking, shielding, the male source, madness etc is delivered is great. Along with the warder bond. Very powerful episode. Liandrin stilling Logain is also done very well.

In short. It has strong re-watch potential and I think it’s building. All the right stuff, just not in the order or vehicle I expected. Someone mentioned cognitive dissonance. That’s greatly reduced on a second watch.

 

[John R Davis]

Each series gets better IMO
Crikey there are a lot of Nouns.
I haven't read the books