Star Wars Rewatch

[Ruin Explorer]

This. There is no lapse there. You are revealing something about yourself if you do that. You aren't just slipping up for a moment

Proven wrong by the video.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Imo the point is that choosing to kill a child is not a momentary lapse in judgement even if it you only consider it for a second. It is not a "lapse".

The easiest explanation is that the Dark Side tricked him into not seeing Ben Solo as a child but a "terrible threat".

This is also exactly what Luke says happened in the video you guys seem to want to avoid watching! As soon as he stopped focusing on the looming threat of the Dark Side he realized what was happening.

 

[The Firebird]

The easiest explanation is that the Dark Side tricked him into not seeing Ben Solo as a child but a "terrible threat".

This is also exactly what Luke says happened in the video you guys seem to want to avoid watching! As soon as he stopped focusing on the looming threat of the Dark Side he realized what was happening.

I think both the positions are clear, so I'll take a step away from this.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Proven wrong by the video.

Okay, you need to be a little less adamant about this stuff. We are talking about media, and the point of contention is whether it is a lapse. Me and at least one other poster have explained why we think calling it a lapse in judgment is insufficient. Doesn't mean we are right. But I think given the severity of the action he is about to take, calling it a lapse just feels competely wrong. Either way, the real point is whether this is in character for Luke, which, lapse or not, I don't think it is

 

[Bedrockgames]

This is also exactly what Luke says happened in the video you guys seem to want to avoid watching! As soon as he stopped focusing on the looming threat of the Dark Side he realized what was happening.

I watched the video. I just disagree with you

 

[Bedrockgames]

You were literally wrong in how you were describing it. If you can't admit that, I don't know what to say.

I do admit that my initial characterization of him going in with the intent to kill was wrong (in the video he says he went with the intent to confront). I don't think that improves things through. It still feels deeply out of character

 

[payn]

While I don't share your "pile of meh" criticism of Tarantino movies, I do you are right and hitting on a very good point here. Johnson is much more of a Tarantino style director. And while there has been talk of Tarantino doing a Star Trek, as much as I love his films, I would had for him to get involved with the franchise. Tarantino and Johnson I think are very good at doing movies that are their own, They are very passionate writer-directors who work great using their own material, love building towards set-pieces, but there is a quirkiness to it that stems from their films being one man visions (which I like, I just don't think you put someone like that at the helm of an existing franchise like Star Wars----especially right in the middle of a trilogy). Maybe giving Johnson his own franchise would have been cool. I could see him doing interesting space opera movies. Star Wars just has an established mood and style.

It struck me as odd, becasue they are not alike at all in my opinion. Though, im assuming your point is they tend to do their own originals as opposed to franchise work. In which case I think QT might actually be able to make a good complete film finally if he were to work within a franchise due to how studious he is of genre conventions and such. RJ is more of an original artist who makes excellent complete films.

 

[Bedrockgames]

It struck me as odd, becasue they are not alike at all in my opinion. Though, im assuming your point is they tend to do their own originals as opposed to franchise work. In which case I think QT might actually be able to make a good complete film finally if he were to work within a franchise due to how studious he is of genre conventions and such. RJ is more of an original artist who makes excellent complete films.

They are alike in that they make their own original movies (Jackie Brown notwithstanding), they write their own scripts, they both seem to write towards set pieces and they each have a quirky style that is just odd enough that neither of their films feel like typical movies. I do agree QT is more of a genre director. But I still can't see him doing something in the style of either Star Wars or Star Trek (there is just too much comedy in most of his films I think). You mentioning QT with TLJ, definitely seems to hit on something for me

 

[Bedrockgames]

In which case I think QT might actually be able to make a good complete film finally if he were to work within a franchise due to how studious he is of genre conventions and such.

We have very different views on this I think. I find his movies to be complete. Quirky but complete. I find Johnsons to be complete but quirky as well (in different ways though). Personally I a bigger fan of Tarantino's movies (given the choice I will watch a Tarantino film over a Johnson movie but I do like Johnson). I think Tarantino has also had a bigger impact on movie making in general (movies changed significantly after pulp fiction, Johnson has made great movies, but I don't think he has had the same cultural impact)

 

[Deset Gled]

Backtracking a bit here...

-The way some of the old lore and characters are handled. Especially the hyperspace ram sequence, which is gorgeous...but we were having conversations about this for decades prior, and I think it wrecks the canon. Some people care about Ackbar also. That didn't bother me but I can see if it did.

The Holdo Maneuver is an absolutely egregious destruction of canon until you can rationalize that it isn't. Here's my explanation for it, copied and pasted from a previous Star Wars thread:

The Holdo Maneuver has a really, really simple explanation. The only reason the ships collided is because of the hyperspace tether that the First Order used on the Resistance ship. Without the tether, the interaction would only have destroyed the Resistance ship (it's established elsewhere that you can die in hyperspace if you collide with a gravity well, which is why ships have safety mechanisms that drop you out of hyperspace before that happens; that's how an Interdictor works). The lack of a tether is why you can't use the Holdo Maneuver in every other space battle.

The other key element is that it was new tech, so neither side knew with certainty what would happen. This explains why Holdo was so cryptic about the plan: she didn't know if it would work or not. Turning off the hyperspace safety measures and trying it out was a last ditch "well, we're dead anyway, why not give this a try?" tactic. And it explains why no one in the First Order responded fast enough to stop her. Hux (and others) only realized what might happen at the last minute, which also explains their reactions.

Going further, this also explains why we don't see hyperspace tethers used again. People now know that if a capital ship uses one, it puts a huge target on their backs; safer to stick with the old-school Interdictor style gravity wells. You could, however, have a suicide squad sneak a hyperspace tether onto a ship or outpost specifically to employ the technique.