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[Autumnal]

I guess I'll nix my new thread on what our colonoscopies can teach us about dungeon delves.

“We weren’t kidding about enshittification.”

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Speaking of grumpy old men, I rewatched Heat today, before it leaves Netflix at the end of the month.

While it still looks amazing -- Michael Mann can really bring it, the movie wonderfully captures the light in Southern California and the action sequences are jaw-dropping -- it's shockingly dismissive of women.

The female characters are all there to be various sorts of burdens to the men. Even the women who, in 2025 terms, are objectively right about everything are treated like wet blankets for wanting their marriages and families to not fall apart or for the men in their lives to not be going off to die every day. The women basically only exist as appendages to the male characters and the fact that a minor character is a serial killer of prostitutes is treated as a bit of interesting trivia which is only mentioned once,

I like the Miami Vice movie, which doesn't display this same attitude (at least to not this degree). I clearly need to hunt down and rewatch Ronin.

Heat is still great, but I was shocked at just how dated it actually is.

 

[trappedslider]

Heat is still great, but I was shocked at just how dated it actually is.

The sequel/prequel novel Heat 2 is good too if you wish to know what happened to Chris after the movie. Along with more about Neil and Vincent's histories.

 

[Deset Gled]

Heat is still great, but I was shocked at just how dated it actually is.

While I appreciate Heat, I really hate its legacy. The thing where the protagonist and antagonist have to do a face-to-face is a terrible trope that is a stain on American cinema, and I absolutely blame this movie for its popularity.

 

[Autumnal]

Heat is still great, but I was shocked at just how dated it actually is.

Manhunter has some of the same problem, and yes, so does Ronin, though Heat problem has it worst.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

While I appreciate Heat, I really hate its legacy. The thing where the protagonist and antagonist have to do a face-to-face is a terrible trope that is a stain on American cinema, and I absolutely blame this movie for its popularity.

Isn’t that more of a modernization of the Western gunslinger shootout trope?

 

[Autumnal]

No. It’s this scene.

 

[Cadence]

Holy cow, I go off to help at summer camp for a week, and when I get back that thread has rocketed past this one. Trying and failing to resist the urge to go rubber neck...

 

[TiQuinn]

No. It’s this scene.

But what is bad about that scene, or others that it inspired? It’s a wonderful scene. And as a trope, it’s no different from say “Silence of the Lambs”, or “A Few Good Men.” Maybe I’m missing the original post, but even if a verbal confrontation or clashing of worldviews between protagonist and antagonist is a trope, it’s a very, very good one.

 

[el-remmen]

Other people expressing a preference for a different style of play from yours is not the same as their impugning your preferred style. And if you think it does. I worry that you have made that playstyle too much a part of your identity.