(5.24 PBP) Vault Redux (OOC) Fitz's Refresher

[FitzTheRuke]

Where we THINK they MIGHT be murdered. No guarantees, they (the kobolds) negotiated with us. As for abused...who cares? They abused kobolds...

And besides, you did your best, you tried to keep them both alive and out of your hair, it's not your fault that kobolds killed them..

We cannot make a deal with her because kobolds cannot free themselves and we can only benefit them. She, on the other hand, is highly intelligent (wizard), highly motivated (knowledge and her spellbook)...why would she trust us when she gains more (trust, influence, good-will) if she betrays us

She gains more (her life) by not crossing you. She never once crossed you. You crossed her. PCs tend to forget that they are the ones who kicked in the door and started knocking over the furniture.

I'm just speaking philosophically, and clarifying story details from an NPC's perspective. Please don't mistake this for me trying to influence what you choose to do. It doesn't bother me any which way you choose. It just means something to me about your character's actions. I judge characters, but I don't judge players.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

As for the MIGHT part, Fitz already pointed out that they WILL torture or kill Valenda and the merc unless we can somehow pay them not to. My original idea to get the kobolds to watch them was under the wrong assumption that the prisoners would be safe.

Well, he's right that you can't be 100% certain that it will happen, but it seems like the most likely scenario, given what you know about them, which is what I was trying to clarify, more than telling you "what the DM knows". There's definitely no likelihood that the Kobolds would treat them fairly.

But, yeah, if this is getting uncomfortable (or boring) we can just move along with whatever the first person who chooses wants to post as a final decision.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

I think she gains the most by staying neutral and not betraying either side:

1. She gets to live
2. She gets to see if we succeed which will give her more freedom to research without the cult dictating what she’s allowed to do or where she’s allowed to go. Edit: my feeling is she’s not entirely happy with the status quo.
3. If we fail, she’s back to the status quo, working under the Cult

In all cases, she gets to research and gets her spell book back (because it’s currently out of her reach, in her footlocker)

Merrick would be fine with that but he wants her to go one step further: leave for a day, then come back. Preferably under a guard.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Merrick would be fine with that but he wants her to go one step further: leave for a day, then come back. Preferably under a guard.

She'd probably agree to that, but the only way out that you know of is through the Kobold Caves.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

She'd probably agree to that, but the only way out that you know of is through the Kobold Caves.

Well that’s why I thought we could hire a small party of kobolds to escort them out. I just thought it might be easier to get a few underfed kobolds to agree to getting food to lead them out of the caves. I just thought that might be easier than bribing the Chief.

 

[Neurotic]

Well that’s why I thought we could hire a small party of kobolds to escort them out. I just thought it might be easier to get a few underfed kobolds to agree to getting food to lead them out of the caves. I just thought that might be easier than bribing the Chief.

Not in the caves, but my 2c...don't waste time with going back to the kobolds, either you trust she will wait a day or not.

Giving kobolds something, even just food means they know something is up and they might betray something esp if pikki went back to the tribe and you have to return there.

Or not...in which case let Torhak kill them despite personal grievances or dislke.

I would go both ic and out as a player with trust, but I'm usually for negotiation rather than fighting