D&D and the rising pandemic

And then there are those who weren't on "alert' much at all, who whined from the get go in spite of only masking when threatened with being kicked from the store, fought against any school safety procedures, regularly gathered with friends unmasked, often went to larger things if allowed, and heaped enough skepticism on everything that even if you hear they go the vaccine you're kind of surprised they bothered.
Well, a few of those have paid for this (with severe C19), but the vast, vast majority got away with nothing happening to them and that just strengthened their conviction to have been right all along. Will make them even more entrenched in their position the next time.
 

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Well, a few of those have paid for this (with severe C19), but the vast, vast majority got away with nothing happening to them and that just strengthened their conviction to have been right all along. Will make them even more entrenched in their position the next time.

I bet they also weren't people who had family members or friends get severe cases. If they were, they lack humanity in the first place that they can't see its not all about them.

(Also, given the numbers in the U.S. at least "vast majority" is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting there.)
 



In Germany is it a government message thing or Covid fatigue after a year, social media etc?
Both I guess.

We of course have covid fatigue. Even though our restrictions have been relatively easy compared to other countries, it's taking it's toll on the people.

We got really well through the first two waves here, might actually more fitting to call them "splashes" rather than waves only for the third one to become our first "real" wave.

And our government is continuously moving the goal post.

We finally (mostly) left the "4-6 weeks November lockdown to break the third wave" in !May!

It was originally sold to the public as meassure to "save christmas", obviously people got more and more disgruntled with it still not being lifted at Easter and beyond

As far as goals went it was at first to prevent collapse of health care system. After this was clearly averted it became to get the incidence under 50. Once this was reached it suddenly became to get it under 35. Now that we're way below 10 it's all about reaching heard immunity through vaccination rate.

This started to be communicated with a goal of getting 70% vaccinated. Now Delta is being cited as why this goal has to be moved to 85% instead. Unfortunately 85% may very well be impossible with our local anti-vacc crackheads and now people are doubly unhappy because they fear here's no chance of it ever being reached.

And we actually have election year BTW, so all parties are already having a nervous eye toward end of September.

So we're seeing more and more restrictions lifted despite the newest goals not being reached.

Still people and a growing number of politicians, are demading a total end of all remaining restrictions as soon as everybody received at least an offer for vaccination. Whoever didn't take it just has to live with the risks and those who just could not get one have to hope that we have enough of a heard immunity by then.

Those demands started from the right wing parties, but are now also repeated from central parties too
 

Both I guess.

We of course have covid fatigue. Even though our restrictions have been relatively easy compared to other countries, it's taking it's toll on the people.

We got really well through the first two waves here, might actually more fitting to call them "splashes" rather than waves only for the third one to become our first "real" wave.

And our government is continuously moving the goal post.

We finally (mostly) left the "4-6 weeks November lockdown to break the third wave" in !May!

It was originally sold to the public as meassure to "save christmas", obviously people got more and more disgruntled with it still not being lifted at Easter and beyond

As far as goals went it was at first to prevent collapse of health care system. After this was clearly averted it became to get the incidence under 50. Once this was reached it suddenly became to get it under 35. Now that we're way below 10 it's all about reaching heard immunity through vaccination rate.

This started to be communicated with a goal of getting 70% vaccinated. Now Delta is being cited as why this goal has to be moved to 85% instead. Unfortunately 85% may very well be impossible with our local anti-vacc crackheads and now people are doubly unhappy because they fear here's no chance of it ever being reached.

And we actually have election year BTW, so all parties are already having a nervous eye toward end of September.

So we're seeing more and more restrictions lifted despite the newest goals not being reached.

Still people and a growing number of politicians, are demading a total end of all remaining restrictions as soon as everybody received at least an offer for vaccination. Whoever didn't take it just has to live with the risks and those who just could not get one have to hope that we have enough of a heard immunity by then.

Those demands started from the right wing parties, but are now also repeated from central parties too

Ah gotcha. We had our Covid election last year except it backfired on the open up types.

There's no real plan beyond borders are closed indefinitely

Calls to discuss said plan are getting louder probably because there's an upwards pressure bon wages.

So it's the other way round here. People want vaccines but can't get them (70% want them, 20% shy, 10% no). You can leave but getting back might be hard.
 

In the US vaccine is free and it's going bad in the fridges because the half the country who hasn't had it doesn't want it. Say they did find a new cure. The FDA would presumably have to say it only had preliminary approval anyway for a few years? Would all of the folks who don't take vaccine for that reason not take that either?
If the word came out that drinking a cup of Chai Tea and taking 100mg of Vitamin D every day (to make something up) would serve as immunoboosters against COVID, people would think "I can do that at breakfast, easy" and empty the store shelves of both.
But the source announcing that discovery matters. Dr. Fauci saying so is going to get the same disgruntled reaction as his other statements get - but if the word came from a hospital that has been treating patients for the whole past year-plus ... those doctors / nurses will be presumed to know what they are talking about; they were right there to see in person how it worked.
 

If the word came out that drinking a cup of Chai Tea and taking 100mg of Vitamin D every day (to make something up) would serve as immunoboosters against COVID, people would think "I can do that at breakfast, easy" and empty the store shelves of both.
But the source announcing that discovery matters. Dr. Fauci saying so is going to get the same disgruntled reaction as his other statements get - but if the word came from a hospital that has been treating patients for the whole past year-plus ... those doctors / nurses will be presumed to know what they are talking about; they were right there to see in person how it worked.

You're an optimist. I've seen people outright accuse hospital personnel of lying. They're better people than I am, because I'd been hard pressed not to punch them in the face.
 

You're an optimist. I've seen people outright accuse hospital personnel of lying. They're better people than I am, because I'd been hard pressed not to punch them in the face.
Yeah. Over the past year, I’ve seen numerous hospital nurses and MDs talking about how they got cursed the hell out by mortally ill patients who were given a Covid diagnosis. Some denied the reality of the disease literally to their dying breaths.
 

Hmmmn.
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