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I'm no math whiz so I can be totally off, but it looks right to me? Someone else did the same table over here with the same results.

That's a very interesting question. My initial response would be, "about as much as a +2 ASI to your damage-dealing stat." So for example, a feat that increases a barbarian's damage should be, in my opinion, roughly equal to a +1 to hit and damage, however much that boost is worth on average.

Casting the spell, yes. Not maintaining it. You concentrate on a Leomund's Hut for 1 minute, then it lasts 8 hours without concentration. Ah, he meant concentrating for casting. Sorry Ashrym, I misunderstood.

Goodness. You downplay the versatility power of the wizard so much that if I valued your posts as gospel I would think that the wizard seriously needs buffs! Very rare and specific situations where the poor wizard can do greatness, unlike those sorcerers with their super powerful metamagic. I...

Or Bearington says, ah, fire resistant creature. Let me cast Haste on my fighter buddy and he'll just deal with it. Or if the target is pure melee, Bearington can Levitate it up into the air harmlessly while the party plays with the pinata. It IS a pure positive. The DEGREE of how powerful it...

Alright. One last time. This is important, for me, that you and Jester understand this. To imply that Wizards having more spells known/prepared is actually detrimental is dishonest. That is what we are saying. Lets make a foil to your Goldilocks, a Wizard called Sir Bearington. Sir...

No, potentially zero spells minimum, if he picked all spells with components and lost his component pouch. If we're arguing about ultra rare situations we may as well go all the way. Empower is a tiny boost to 3d6. Distance is a stretch here, if you're not in range of this general just use...

A level 4 sorcerer has 5 known/prepared spells. A level 4 wizard (16 starting INT, +2 ASI) has minimum 12 known spells and can prepare 8 of them. The wizard could prepare the exact 5 spells that the sorcerer has chosen, then use his remaining 3 slots to cycle through his minimum 7 other spells...

I'll add my voice that OP's analysis is spot-on with my experiences. I've played a Sorcerer from levels 1-7. Also have played Vengeance Paladin and Life Cleric. I've seen all the classes played until at least level 5, and some up to level 10. For the record, here is my sorcerer's current spell...

@gyor The only thing they're good at now is casting Fireballs if you want to be a glass cannon. That's about it. Melf's Minute Meteors too, but that's the same spell level. It's not just the Twin change, but (potentially) the Scorching Ray change too. Here's hoping each ray still gets +CHA...

Naw, you didn't think I was making a mistake, you said that I enjoy breaking the rules. Nice backpedal though: it's almost an apology but then you say I'm the one who needs to put more effort. So close! This is gold. Look dude. I was showing that pre-errata Sorcerer damage was a-okay, and...

Haha, wow! Someone is riled up! This should be good. Oh, two bonus actions? I wonder where you're going with this. I think I know what happened: you looked at the "when he crits" part and thought I was adding another swing? No, I was just adding the Brutal Critical die barbarians get, which...

What? Of course you're the one targeting with the spell -- the spell isn't dictating the targets, you are. Come on now, you're grasping for straws here. The moment you tell me that you won't allow twinned Fire Bolt and twinned Disintegrate is the moment I agree to disagree. Otherwise your...

That's an optimistic interpretation of the errata. I hope you're right, but I'll be convinced once we get a confirming tweet or something. I see. But why did you pick 5th level Scorching Ray? That seems random. But okay, 5th level it is. Scorching Ray 5th level. You get this at 9th level. You...

Where are you getting (2d6+5)*6 from? You only get 6 rays from casting it in a 6th level spell slot. Unless you could twin -- but you can't anymore. Also, they nerfed Elemental Affinity, so you're only applying CHA to a single ray now. I've already shown my math at high levels in a previous...

No argument here. I'm refuting Coredump's claim that the previous RAW had always agreed with this RAI and that the errata isn't changing anything. EDIT: Of course, I majorly dislike this new RAW, for the reasons I described a couple post back.

And you have proven the same faulty logic. Nowhere in the book does it support your interpretation. Scorching Ray says "you can hurl them [the rays] at one target or several." If I'm hurling them at one target, then I'm targeting only one creature. If having the OPTION to target several...

No, what you're doing is now cherry picking which words you want to focus on to suit your idea of what the sentence means. There is no "clear emphasis," you either apply your logic to the complete sentence or you do not. "When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn't have a...

Fire-resistance shouldn't be that big a deal at the endgame since there's a feat tax around it. Fire-immune though, that's the pain. My calculations also ignored the barbarian having a magical weapon at all. At level 20, what type of weapon is he wielding? A +3 greataxe maybe, with other...

You're the one who brought up the high levels. I don't care diddly for what level 17 does. Last survey result showed that the vast majority of players are still playing levels 1-6, and most realistically believe they won't ever pass level 10. Levels 1-10 are the levels that need to be done...