D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Cleric"

[James Gasik]

In 1e AD&D, 1st-2nd-level spells "are gained through the cleric's knowledge and faith". 3rd to 5th-level spells were granted by the deity's minions, and only 6th-7th were directly granted by the deity. Also, in 2e's The Complete Priest's Handbook priests of a philosophy were introduced.

So, clerics gaining spells from their own faith does find its roots in AD&D.

This could explain what's going on with Divine Intervention as well- at 10th level, you're actually getting in contact with an agent of your God, such as a Solar. It's only at 20th level that you have enough pull to get the attention of the Divine.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

In 1e AD&D, 1st-2nd-level spells "are gained through the cleric's knowledge and faith". 3rd to 5th-level spells were granted by the deity's minions, and only 6th-7th were directly granted by the deity. Also, in 2e's The Complete Priest's Handbook priests of a philosophy were introduced.

So, clerics gaining spells from their own faith does find its roots in AD&D.

Edit: So, that's already been brought up. Never mind me.

Faith enough, just keep it out if the Forgotten Realms thanks.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Problems people have with the ranger go beyond power.

yes and are similar to issues with psionics a lack of agreement as to what they actually want except not this.

 

[mellored]

Spiritual weapon alread is nerfed with concentration (except for war domain).

Except war domain's mid level Channel Divinity.

So it competes with the +10 to-hit.

Honestly not sure it's worth it, especially if you have a rogue.

 

[Horwath]

yes and are similar to issues with psionics a lack of agreement as to what they actually want except not this.

yeah,

as for psionics, I realized that Aberrant mind sorcerer with Telekinetic feat and Spell points variant is closest we'll get to psionics for a while.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

yeah,

as for psionics, I realized that Aberrant mind sorcerer with Telekinetic feat and Spell points variant is closest we'll get to psionics for a while.

Throw in Gith or Duegar species.

 

[Horwath]

Throw in Gith or Duegar species.

sure, but no need,
telepathic speech at 1st level and psychic defenses at 6th level cover that.

 

[mellored]

And they specifically must use their action to move away. But I guess the ability will not that it ignores their immunity. And even if not, see @Maxperson .

And they bravely ran away.
When clerics rise their ugly head, the skeletons turn their tail and fled.
They bravely run away.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

sure, but no need,
telepathic speech at 1st level and psychic defenses at 6th level cover that.

So go Duergar or maybe even better Gem Dragonborn.

 

[Aldarc]

I agree. Calling on Divine Intervention means the character is calling for help and cannot control the outcome. Choosing a spell is not this. Now the old DI wasn't the best and could have used tweaking but I don't like the new one.

JC says ability is no longer "Mother May I?" And I am left sputtering... but it's in the name. Will you help me, Deity?

For me, it just feels so uninspiring and milquetoast. It's a 10th level ability called "Divine Intervention" and it now just amounts to a floating spell slot for that can be cast for a single level 1 to 5 spell. Umm... okay? I think that I would want something a little more inspiring than a glorified extra spell slot.